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So that being said, pretend one brand had to be destroyed and never resurrected, which would you keep? For me Weihrauch. Ze Germans.
Cast your vote below. Which would you keep? Have another brand that is English or German?
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So that being said, pretend one brand had to be destroyed and never resurrected, which would you keep? For me Weihrauch. Ze Germans.
Cast your vote below. Which would you keep? Have another brand that is English or German?
HW. I’ve never shot a Walther but I suspect I’d like one. As everyone probably knows right now I’m on a gamo kick at the moment so I’m going to throw that in for me. It’s considered an EU product as trade is concerned so that counts I guess.
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My wife’s hunter elite. It respond well to a light to moderate tune and trigger replacement. I’ve only ever shot groups sub 20 yards but it stacks pellets as they say. Yes that is gold duct tape on the scope lol we “jingled” it up she’s new to shooting so we’re still deciding on what scope to use. 
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I own a lot more HW spring guns than AA spring guns, so I’d have to give the nod to HW. That said, they are both very accurate and high quality industrial works of art. The price differential between HW and AA has widened a lot in recent years with Krale entering the picture. Even with significant weakness in the pound, prices for the TX200 or PS have changed very little if at all. That may account for the fewer number of posts about the TX200 or PS.
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if this is about hw and AA, I'd give AA my vote, as they prep the whole gun from the finishing to mechanical design and accuracy very well, I don't heard a lot of issues with their guns, only see a lot of people selling them because they are probably consistently becomes too boring bec of not much problem and people always tend to be attracted to things that are flashy and something new. Maybe its only me, but I love their finished product.
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I have quite a few of both,English,better bluing and looks..oh no...German way more to choose from,I am talking springers.Air Arms and English Webleys.My upper class HW are great....I would take my English made,not because they are better,,they have more quality.I would not tell my Munich born girlfriend Elsa that though,ok I thought about it again,my German made are easier for me to shoot accurate,English have more personality,,,,please I have ADD....I am getting confused,,,Germans are more fun...have better beer...PCP,,,English
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Irrelevant, you have the question wrong. The real question is which country wants me to shoot their gun? If one of them will sell me their 14 FPS rifle for $400 and the other will sell me the same rifle for $700 then we have an answer. Shooting ze Deutch? YA YA.
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I hear the term "over-engineered" applied to German products, including their air rifles. I understand the meaning in this context, but I'm not sure I agree. To me, if a rifle is over-engineered, something isn't working right due to an overly complex design. I agree that certain German engineered rifles are relatively complex. But, in my experience, that is not to their detriment. In fact, they work very well. Some of the German match triggers are a good example. Most of them are true, two-stage triggers that offer the safety of a first stage in which the second stage sear has a comfortable margin of safety, but a second stage engagement that is very precise. And, in most cases the stages are independently adjustable, and some even convert to single stage operation (Anschutz 5018). In that example, the English (and American) approach would be to forego the added design and manufacturing challenges of building such a trigger, saying, "well, we have 90% of what the added challenges would give us, good enough." The Germans tend to take on the challenge of building what is ultimately desired, but usually achieve the complex design while maintaining reliability. Just my observation.
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30 years ago, This British multi shot, bottle feed, super accurate pcp rifle with a high shot count, arguably did more for airguning than any before or since,
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Haha....2 of my 3 pcp air guns are a weihrauch hw100 and a brocock sniper hp. I don't want to see either go away.
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Yeah, my fellow countrymen know how to engineer guns well. And pellets. And cars. And....
What we need to learn now is, how to package that brilliant engineering into something attractive to the eye — here we often blunder from "traditional"* over "boring" right on into "ugly".
Last year's release of the Walther Reign was a big step in the right direction.
Congrats to the designers! 
Matthias
*Don't get me wrong: We need options to buy traditional looking guns with woodstocks, stipling, golden triggers, and all that nostalgic stuff. And the same goes for German cars! But when that seems to be all that German industrial designers can come up with, I'll curb my patriotism a little bit....
What we need to learn now is, how to package that brilliant engineering into something attractive to the eye — here we often blunder from "traditional"* over "boring" right on into "ugly".
Last year's release of the Walther Reign was a big step in the right direction.
Congrats to the designers! Matthias
*Don't get me wrong: We need options to buy traditional looking guns with woodstocks, stipling, golden triggers, and all that nostalgic stuff. And the same goes for German cars! But when that seems to be all that German industrial designers can come up with, I'll curb my patriotism a little bit....
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Over engineered & generally excellent quality.... GERMAN in general
Overly fiddly & unique being not real user friendly .... BSA / England
Tighter build, excellent machine work threw out AA / England
Why fight ? ..... BOTH companies have weak areas as well STRONG !
This post is somewhat trolling for a fight / debate / heated augmenting and that's just silly IMO
Overly fiddly & unique being not real user friendly .... BSA / England
Tighter build, excellent machine work threw out AA / England
Why fight ? ..... BOTH companies have weak areas as well STRONG !
This post is somewhat trolling for a fight / debate / heated augmenting and that's just silly IMO
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Oh not literally, it is a quote from Godzilla 2014. Just a silly quote. The two giant monsters are prevented from fighting until the end when the Asian guy summarizes with the words, “let them fight.” It, I believe, is a compliment to both AA and HW for their high level craftsmen-ship and being Giants in the industry, and of course, they have been fighting for dominance in the market place for 30 years, resulting in the betterment of both rifles. I think their quality is roughly equal, and both doing slightly better and worse with certain models, but needless to say no trolling here...just wanted to see everyone’s comments. Sorry if you felt offended.
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As you know, I land on the Weihrauch side. I’ve also noticed, however, a sharp decline in the amount of posts about Air Arms TX200s.
So that being said, pretend one brand had to be destroyed and never resurrected, which would you keep? For me Weihrauch. Ze Germans.
The English know how to make some beautiful stuff, like cakes and pies, but they are no match for ze Germans.
Cast your vote below. Which would you keep? Have another brand that is English or German?
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Let’s face it, they are both awesome. However, the pro elite by AA, May have been the apogee of the high velocity, relatively inexpensive factory Springer. And I’ve owned way more HWs then AAs.
This will be right after the crow magnum, which is of course very expensive. But still awesome.
I can remember one day I was shooting my PE out at the range, and a flock of starlings came in. And they didn’t fly. I must’ve shot 70 of them off hand that day with my AA pro elite, all of them off hand out to about 75 yards they were dropping like flies.
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This will be right after the crow magnum, which is of course very expensive. But still awesome.
I can remember one day I was shooting my PE out at the range, and a flock of starlings came in. And they didn’t fly. I must’ve shot 70 of them off hand that day with my AA pro elite, all of them off hand out to about 75 yards they were dropping like flies.
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