I'm looking for my first. Already have a pump, looking to work for my fun... Are there some PCP's that are better then others to hand Pump?
Or are they all pretty similar in effort.
Or are they all pretty similar in effort.
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Which PCP's can you hand pump?
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The maximum fill pressure dictates how hard it will be, and the reservoir dictates how many strokes it will take to get there.
Your body weight is an advantage in using a hand pump. I’m all of 145lbs and I’ve pumped 3000psi PCPs and bottle guns for nearly a decade. However I would not want to pump a 3600 - 4500psi gun.
Your body weight is an advantage in using a hand pump. I’m all of 145lbs and I’ve pumped 3000psi PCPs and bottle guns for nearly a decade. However I would not want to pump a 3600 - 4500psi gun.
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Generally Guns with smaller reservoirs (measured in cubic centimeters or “cc”) will take less time to fill. As @nervoustrig mentioned the operating and maximum pressure is also a factor. Many are 3000 psi or 4500 psi. PCP guns that operate at lower maximum pressures will be easier to fill as hand pumps have more resistance at higher pressure thus requiring the user to exert more energy to fill which translates to more or harder work. For example, you should notice a substantial difference in the pump’s resistance at 2000 psi versus 4000 psi.
Maybe start with a Benjamin Marauder or the Marauder pistol. They are widely popular, reliable, relatively affordable, and not too difficult to fill if you aren’t limited by physical disabilities.
Maybe start with a Benjamin Marauder or the Marauder pistol. They are widely popular, reliable, relatively affordable, and not too difficult to fill if you aren’t limited by physical disabilities.
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the bigger the cc and pressure the harder .. once you get up there to 200cc tanks and better its going to be a workout, likr a marauder rifle for instance is the most i would want to pump ... if its got a bottle i wouldnt consider it ... whats easy to pump are 2000psi guns and any small pistol size pcp .. another consideration is moisture, even if your built like arnold and dont mind to pump a giant bottle for an hour lol it will generate alot of moisture in both the pump and the gun that will require regular maintenance to get rid of to prevent corrosion ..smaller and less pumping isnt as bad ...
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I have many easy to hand pump PCPs;They all have small air reservoirs,no more that 3000psi,and seems all get about 26 shots.
Exceptions are Crossman 1701 pistol,a lot of shots for it and the Crossman Challenger target rifle.
I do have a pistol that needs to go pass 3600psi to fill and as nervous trigger said that becomes a lot harder to fill.
The Gamo Urban is a great PCP for what it is and hard to beat at its price point and not hard to fill.
Exceptions are Crossman 1701 pistol,a lot of shots for it and the Crossman Challenger target rifle.
I do have a pistol that needs to go pass 3600psi to fill and as nervous trigger said that becomes a lot harder to fill.
The Gamo Urban is a great PCP for what it is and hard to beat at its price point and not hard to fill.
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Bsa r10 is friendly to pump, AA s500/510 carbine is another thats not to bad. The hw110 is a good one too.
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What @dizzums said. I came back to edit my post to include the marauder and he beat me to it.
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I humbly submit you can't go wrong with a Benjamin Marauder BP 2220 also known as the Prod. A compact small tank 2800 psi thus easy to pump, while you review your other options.
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Harv24
My first PCP was a first generation Umarex Gauntlet .25. Cheap Chinese handpump worked great. Got FX Wildcat 3 and, as so many members warned, filling with hand pump was a real workout. I always slept better the night after "that" workout, but was starting to avoid shooting because of it. Just bought Yong Heng compressor, mainly for two reasons, better moisture control and bringing joy back to airgunning.
WM
My first PCP was a first generation Umarex Gauntlet .25. Cheap Chinese handpump worked great. Got FX Wildcat 3 and, as so many members warned, filling with hand pump was a real workout. I always slept better the night after "that" workout, but was starting to avoid shooting because of it. Just bought Yong Heng compressor, mainly for two reasons, better moisture control and bringing joy back to airgunning.
WM
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depends on the pressure but it take between 20-30 bumps. I usually only need less than 20pump to go from 2000 psi to 2700 psi.
all skinny air tube PCPs with fill pressure at or under 3000 psi is great for hand pump. In fact I prefer using hand pump over my tank for all my crosman because I don’t need to worry about overfill which is super easy with my 4500 psi tank, a bit nerve racking actually.
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Thanks for all the advice/experience. I'm narrowing down to the Avenger for my first gun (wood stock version)
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I think anything under 200 CC's and 3000 psi is pretty easy. My Veteran gets annoying to pump with 200+ CC's @ 3600 psi.
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My first PCP (all of 2 years ago) was the Hatsan Flashpup in .22. Terrific gun, btw……tough, reliable, powerful, and accurate with many pellets/slugs. Also got the Hatsan hand pump to fill it up. It’s very reasonable to fill it’s 165cc air tube to the 200 BAR max. Maybe 100-130 pumps to top it off from around 110 BAR or so.
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One of the things you must keep in mind is the pump as well. Make sure to get something that is quality, easy to take apart and repair, and rated high enough to fill your gun, and has something to remove moisture. Some are rated to only 250 bar and others to 310 bar.
Also your shooting habits may dictated what you are willing to pump. I use a hill mk5 to fill a FX crown mk2. It takes about 25 pumps for 10 bar increase in the 480cc bottle. I use mainly for pesting, so I can get plenty of shots on a fill, and take my time refilling. I also have a Taipan Veteran Long on the way which have a 300cc cylinder, and a 250(approx: 3600psi) bar max pressure like the Crown. So, larger guns can be filled by pump, but it's alot of work.
If you plan on shooting alot stick with lower fill pressure guns that get decent shot count like Marauder or similar.
Also your shooting habits may dictated what you are willing to pump. I use a hill mk5 to fill a FX crown mk2. It takes about 25 pumps for 10 bar increase in the 480cc bottle. I use mainly for pesting, so I can get plenty of shots on a fill, and take my time refilling. I also have a Taipan Veteran Long on the way which have a 300cc cylinder, and a 250(approx: 3600psi) bar max pressure like the Crown. So, larger guns can be filled by pump, but it's alot of work.
If you plan on shooting alot stick with lower fill pressure guns that get decent shot count like Marauder or similar.
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I just posted a little review of the Avenger and Benjamin Cayden. It seemed to me while shooting them for the first time (no hard data) that the Cayden was more efficient with air use, and they were both received from the manufacturer shooting 18.13 gr .22 cal pellets right around 920 fps, so they were putting out the same power.
What hit me was that the Cayden's cylinder filled to 3,000 psi while the Avenger's filled to 4,350 psi. So while writing up the review I definitely thought about the Cayden being potentially hand pump friendly.
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Harv24
You'll be missing a golden opportunity if you don't read TMH's post on Page 1. He does excellent "real world" review of Avenger and Benjamin Cayden. Very rarely does a newcomer to PCPs get such a gift.
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You'll be missing a golden opportunity if you don't read TMH's post on Page 1. He does excellent "real world" review of Avenger and Benjamin Cayden. Very rarely does a newcomer to PCPs get such a gift.
WM
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I pump all of mine. I own the following: Beeman chief 2 (177), Gamo urban (22), AV avenger (22), Benjamin Maximus (177). The easiest is the Maximus as it only fills to 2k. Literally nothing to pump it up. The whole workout part is totally subjective. In my experience that is way way overplayed. None of the above guns are bad. The worst and even this is relative, is the avenger. The only reason I say that is in order to adjust the reg down on that gun you have to purge the air. Therefore I’ve filled it to 4K from empty a few times. That does kind of suck. However when you get the reg set pumping it from like 2500 to 4 k isn’t that bad despite what you will read. Pumping that gun to 4K isn’t that bad. It just isn’t. The chief and urban both have small cylinders and are very easy as well.
Honestly if I had to recommend one it would be the gamo urban. It is very handpump friendly, great quality build and just flat out accurate as can be. It also loves the 14.3 crosman variants pushing them around 880.
Honestly if I had to recommend one it would be the gamo urban. It is very handpump friendly, great quality build and just flat out accurate as can be. It also loves the 14.3 crosman variants pushing them around 880.
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