Any .30 penetration pellets?

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Kavliaris

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I have a gamo swarm magnum 0.22 and I have bought all types of penetration pellets H&N hornets, Skenco hyper velocity(they go through anything), Skenco long range etc... Now I want a .30cal pcp but the pellet types of this caliber make me rethink the whole .30 pcp thing... I havent found any penetration pellets except the predetor polymags which I really dislike... I know that a 0.30cal pcp will have 2-3 times the fpe of my magnum but I dont want to buy a .30 just to shoot slugs, hades and the typical diabolo pellets... Are there any penetration pellets except polymags or no?
 
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@Kavliaris What exactly is a penetration pellet? Can you be more specific? It sounds like you want something that will not pass through an animal. If so, what sized animal(s) do you intend to shoot? From what distance/range? And from which .30 platform?
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Its not that the normal full led pellets will not pass through the animals dont worry... If Ill buy a .30cal it will propably be a 60+ fpe rifle... I just want to know if there are any pellets that dont dump all the energy on impact like the hades or slugs do... With penetration pellet I mean a pellet with a hard pointy tip. I want a pellet that will go through anything with .30 just like Skenco hyper velocity does with my 0.22
 
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@Kavliaris i think I understand. H&N makes pellets with a somewhat pointed tip in .25 caliber. I don’t know if they make them for .30 though. I’d have to look. They look like a combination of a domed pellet and a sharp pointed pellet. They are called H&N Baracuda pellets. They also make the H&N Hornet, but they are more akin to Predator Polymags but with metal tips. Again I don’t know if these are made for .30 caliber. You’d have to check.
 
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Ezana4CE said:
@Kavliaris i think I understand. H&N makes pellets with a somewhat pointed tip in .25 caliber. I don’t know if they make them for .30 though. I’d have to look. They look like a combination of a domed pellet and a sharp pointed pellet. They are called H&N Baracuda pellets. They also make the H&N Hornet, but they are more akin to Predator Polymags but with metal tips. Again I don’t know if these are made for .30 caliber. You’d have to check.
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I have checked they exist only in 0.25cal and that is the main reason I am thinking of buying a pcp with just a little lower fpe at 0.25 (H&N hornet is one of my favorite pellets at .22) there are many more options for pellets at 0.25 (and cheaper)... Sadly as you go up in cal the variety of pellets gets smaller
 
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Squack said:
Tipped pellets such as predator, hornet
are designed to dump energy in the target. They are a large hollow point with a wedge for a tip which also gives better b.c.
Before investing in a low power .25 I would recommend reading the failure of the Diana model 52 and 48 in .25 caliber.
Standard power for a .25 is 40-50 fpe.
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Hornets are excellent penetrators when it comes to hard targets (a skull for example).
If I go for .25 I will propably take the umarex origin with ±55fpe (pretty good for a .25) also it only takes 100 or less pumps to fill for ±40 shots pretty accurate too and most important its half the price of the other pcps that I want... The only problem is that it doesn't go semi auto...
 
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PNW1985 said:
I have a .30 WAR Flex averaging 87 fpe. What exactly are you trying to penetrate with a 30 cal? My question is more out of curiosity.
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Nice... Its not that I am trying to penetrate something specific. Ill propably wont ever go for a mid game hunt... But if some day I need to hunt to survive and lets say that I see a deer in a distance (lmao a hypothetical once in a lifetime scenario) and headshot the deer I would like to be sure that the pellet will not just explode on the skull but penetrate it... (Even my gamo swarm magnum .22 can penetrate a small deers skull with a H&N hornet pellet at 30fpe in a very close distance but if I put a lead pellet it will do 0 damage)... Well with your 87fpe the pellet type wont be an issue for a skull... But with 50-60fpe on 0.30 and a hades pellet or a jsb diabolo for example... Im not sure... Especialy if it is at big a distance... Thats why Im thinking of going .25cal at the same fpe where the variety of pellets is much bigger. 55fpe on Jsb hades at .30 cant compare at all with a 55fpe H&N hornet at .25.
 
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Kavliaris said:
Hornets are excellent penetrators when it comes to hard targets (a skull for example).
If I go for .25 I will propably take the umarex origin with ±55fpe (pretty good for a .25) also it only takes 100 or less pumps to fill for ±40 shots pretty accurate too and most important its half the price of the other pcps that I want... The only problem is that it doesn't go semi auto...
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If you shoot a raccoon in the neck at 30 yds. with a .25 hornets, it will barely break the neck but cause massive tissue damage in my experience.
Dome or pointed will exist after breaking the neck.
 
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Squack said:
If you shoot a raccoon in the neck at 30 yds. with a .25 hornets, it will barely break the neck but cause massive tissue damage in my experience.
Dome or pointed will exist after breaking the neck.
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No need for a neck shot. I have a thread where I took a raccoon with 25.39 grain JSB Kings Diabolo pellets (see link below). A single head shot put her down. I didn’t range the shot but if I had to estimate from what I recall I would say it was offhand around no more than maybe 20 yards. She died quickly. Not much twitching after she hit the ground. https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/racoon-headshot-edgun-lelya-2-0-25.1116834/
 
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Kavliaris said:
Nice... Its not that I am trying to penetrate something specific. Ill propably wont ever go for a mid game hunt... But if some day I need to hunt to survive and lets say that I see a deer in a distance (lmao a hypothetical once in a lifetime scenario) and headshot the deer I would like to be sure that the pellet will not just explode on the skull but penetrate it... (Even my gamo swarm magnum .22 can penetrate a small deers skull with a H&N hornet pellet at 30fpe in a very close distance but if I put a lead pellet it will do 0 damage)... Well with your 87fpe the pellet type wont be an issue for a skull... But with 50-60fpe on 0.30 and a hades pellet or a jsb diabolo for example... Im not sure... Especialy if it is at big a distance... Thats why Im thinking of going .25cal at the same fpe where the variety of pellets is much bigger. 55fpe on Jsb hades at .30 cant compare at all with a 55fpe H&N hornet at .25.
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OK, a .30 JSB at 80-90 FPE will penetrate any deer skulls you ever want to shoot.
Predator is not a penetrating pellet,....the opposite.

a .25 cal at 55 FPE shooting H&N Baracuda 31gr also will penetrate any deer skull, so would the 34gr JSB or the 28gr Benjamin you plan to shoot ( as long as you take the right shot )

No need to go for gimmick pellets for penetration just stay with a solid brand good pellet
 
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AirArcher66 said:
OK, a .30 JSB at 80-90 FPE will penetrate any deer skulls you ever want to shoot.
Predator is not a penetrating pellet,....the opposite.

a .25 cal at 55 FPE shooting H&N Baracuda 31gr also will penetrate any deer skull, so would the 34gr JSB or the 28gr Benjamin you plan to shoot ( as long as you take the right shot )

No need to go for gimmick pellets for penetration just stay with a solid brand good pellet
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Really? I saw that it was similar to H&N hornet and I thought the predator was penetrator😂 And I was wondering why it is not penetrating good😂 So no penetrators after all at .30cal 😂
I see... maybe I underastimated the full lead pellets a little bit... Anyways Ill either go with a 55fpe .25cal or a 80+fpe .30. Thanks for the info.
 
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I think it will all depend on the FPS/FPE of your rig and the distance you will plan to shoot your quarry. I have spoken with @coyotego about this topic because I had a 120fpe .30 but it was a little to violent on the shot so we talkedas I knew he hunted predators at distance and we came up with the number of 100fpe minimum at the muzzle for a 100 yard shot. I think it would be a great idea to maybe collaborate with someone and get a roadkill doe head and do some penetration test or find a similar test material at a specific distance to check penetration. Also some slugs are made with a harder lead and will have a higher chance or not mushrooming on impact.
 
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Kavliaris said:
Nice... Its not that I am trying to penetrate something specific. Ill propably wont ever go for a mid game hunt... But if some day I need to hunt to survive and lets say that I see a deer in a distance (lmao a hypothetical once in a lifetime scenario) and headshot the deer I would like to be sure that the pellet will not just explode on the skull but penetrate it... (Even my gamo swarm magnum .22 can penetrate a small deers skull with a H&N hornet pellet at 30fpe in a very close distance but if I put a lead pellet it will do 0 damage)... Well with your 87fpe the pellet type wont be an issue for a skull... But with 50-60fpe on 0.30 and a hades pellet or a jsb diabolo for example... Im not sure... Especialy if it is at big a distance... Thats why Im thinking of going .25cal at the same fpe where the variety of pellets is much bigger. 55fpe on Jsb hades at .30 cant compare at all with a 55fpe H&N hornet at .25.
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Depending on the section of skull the difficult to penetrante it.

Best place to place the pellet in order to reach the brain on a deer skull is the following:





If you aim from behind to the back of the skull, the pellet will not penetrate and will not reach the brain. There is thick bone. Do not even try it.

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Ezana4CE said:
No need for a neck shot. I have a thread where I took a raccoon with 25.39 grain JSB Kings Diabolo pellets (see link below). A single head shot put her down. I didn’t range the shot but if I had to estimate from what I recall I would say it was offhand around no more than maybe 20 yards. She died quickly. Not much twitching after she hit the ground. https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/racoon-headshot-edgun-lelya-2-0-25.1116834/
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Moving target with the wife's chicken in her mouth. I didn't want to hit the chicken. Aimed below the ear and watched the pellet's flight in the Spotlight. lol
 
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Kavliaris said:
Really? I saw that it was similar to H&N hornet and I thought the predator was penetrator😂 And I was wondering why it is not penetrating good😂 So no penetrators after all at .30cal 😂
I see... maybe I underastimated the full lead pellets a little bit... Anyways Ill either go with a 55fpe .25cal or a 80+fpe .30. Thanks for the info.
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I think you getting this penetration thing all wrong,.........no penetrators after all at .30 cal ?

Wrong, as I just mentioned the JSB .30 is made of farely hard lead and penetrates beautifully.

Yes you are definitely underestimasting the penetration capabilities of standard pellets ;)
 
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Kavliaris said:
Nice... Its not that I am trying to penetrate something specific. Ill propably wont ever go for a mid game hunt... But if some day I need to hunt to survive and lets say that I see a deer in a distance (lmao a hypothetical once in a lifetime scenario) and headshot the deer I would like to be sure that the pellet will not just explode on the skull but penetrate it... (Even my gamo swarm magnum .22 can penetrate a small deers skull with a H&N hornet pellet at 30fpe in a very close distance but if I put a lead pellet it will do 0 damage)... Well with your 87fpe the pellet type wont be an issue for a skull... But with 50-60fpe on 0.30 and a hades pellet or a jsb diabolo for example... Im not sure... Especialy if it is at big a distance... Thats why Im thinking of going .25cal at the same fpe where the variety of pellets is much bigger. 55fpe on Jsb hades at .30 cant compare at all with a 55fpe H&N hornet at .25.
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I had some question marks today as to whether or not my 44gr Hades in 30 cal would penetrate a coyote's skull or not. That being said, I did some shooting in my backyard today with my FX Impact M3 30 cal and was blowing holes in oak and pine 2x6's at 30 yards. Not only was it blowing holes in that wood but those Hades were hitting the 1/8" steel plate behind the wood with authority too! I have it tuned to shoot those Hades at 950fps.
 
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