TS-12x vs Vector Veyron 3-12 FFP

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I know there were a few threads either about or where discussion arose about the USO TS-12x and how it is the same scope as the vector veyron 3-12 counterpart and a couple others possible? (cant really remember).

I had the Vector on my new taipan Monday, shot with it...
Yesterday my USO TS-12X arrived, mounted and zero'd it and shot with it......

Built in the same factory? Possibly and probably, however they are not the same level. The glass is far clearer and I mean far clearer, the reticle is fine but stands out more, and the turrets are 100x better and I believe that warrants the cost difference.

The other big difference is the eye relief is better suited for a rifle with this cheek positioning, I needed it to be further away and it is!

The veyron was a great scope especially for the money, but I can confirm these two ARE NOT the same.

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When you say the reticle stands out more, at what point can you see the reticle and its hash marks clearly? What about on the Vector?

And personal curiosity, why does a bullpup need a scope with more eye relief?

Thank you for the comparison. I have a Vector FFP and it's fantastic for the money. But I can just start to see the reticle around 5x and probably would only use it in a hunting situation at 6x or above. I'm a low magnification shooter so it does not get used much.
 
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Bullpupone said:
Not surprising, I just looked up the USO TS-12x on many sites and it apears to cost twice as much as the Vector Veyron 3-12 FFP. It's all a matter of the resources and effort put into the USO as opposed to the Vector. As the owner I would be angry if the USO wasn't significantly better.
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Bullpupone, I understand where your comment is coming from and thats why I prefaced my post the way that I did. There are many threads or comments on this forum about "made in the same factory why bother" , "they are the same scope" hence why I made this thread, they are not the same scope.

Its also why I ended my post with, theres nothing wrong with the veyron, its a great scope.
Scouty said:
When you say the reticle stands out more, at what point can you see the reticle and its hash marks clearly? What about on the Vector?

And personal curiosity, why does a bullpup need a scope with more eye relief?

Thank you for the comparison. I have a Vector FFP and it's fantastic for the money. But I can just start to see the reticle around 5x and probably would only use it in a hunting situation at 6x or above. I'm a low magnification shooter so it does not get used much.
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The vector would be a lot less clear on 12 power at 50 - 60 yards which is what they were both shot at this week, I also found that on max magnification the picture quality did not suffer , on the veyron it did (it was negligible to me but still).... Also I found at 3-6 power it was very smiliar.

Look where you would have to cheek this rifle, over the cocking lever, a scope with less eye relief would have you forcing your head forward, to a less relaxed position. There is more picatinny rail room where I could have moved the scope more rearward but with the vector even mounted more rearward I found myself still bringing my head forward (even if its just a smidge more). This is really a personal matter, not so much a black and white thing.

Again, the veyron is a great scope, I was happy with it without a doubt, especially for the cost.
 
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CTairgunner1288 said:
Look where you would have to cheek this rifle, over the cocking lever, a scope with less eye relief would have you forcing your head forward, to a less relaxed position. There is more picatinny rail room where I could have moved the scope more rearward but with the vector even mounted more rearward I found myself still bringing my head forward (even if its just a smidge more). This is really a personal matter, not so much a black and white thing.
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Makes sense. So a regular sized scope with more room to move fore/aft in the rings in theory could have less eye relief versus a compact scope.

These compact 3-12 scopes would require an offset mount but I've heard there are very few that fit them.
 
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Scouty said:
Makes sense. So a regular sized scope with more room to move fore/aft in the rings in theory could have less eye relief versus a compact scope.

These compact 3-12 scopes would require an offset mount but I've heard there are very few that fit them.
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Yeah, the offset mounts are tough because they are fixed, a 2 piece off set would work well though.
 
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I recently received the TS-12 and totally agree they are not the same as Veyron and Discovery. When on sale for $350 it’s a no brainer if that’s the size scope your looking for. And unless I misunderstood they have a lifetime warranty as opposed to 3 and 5 years for the others. Plus for whatever it’s worth aesthetically there’s no comparison in my opinion to the other brands.
 
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ClarkT said:
I recently received the TS-12 and totally agree they are not the same as Veyron and Discovery. When on sale for $350 it’s a no brainer if that’s the size scope your looking for. And unless I misunderstood they have a lifetime warranty as opposed to 3 and 5 years for the others. Plus for whatever it’s worth aesthetically there’s no comparison in my opinion to the other brands.
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Yes sir , life time warranty and I agree, they are "easier on the eyes"
 
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I have the THIRD scope in this "similar/same" comparison.
The Discovery VT-3 3-12x44 FFP.
And the USO TS-12x.


🔸Yes, the turrets are better on the USO.
They have enough turret positions (60) to allow a lineup of the 0 with the 0-mark — the Discovery has only 30 positions (though 60 clicks).


🔸 Side-by-side, I personally cannot confirm that the glass is better on the USO than on the Discovery.


🔸 The reticle of the Vector Veyron lacks the thick outside posts on the reticle to see the crosshairs when on low magnification.
Both the Discovery and the USO have it.


🔸 I distinctly remember a post on AGN, less than two years ago, of someone who called USO: The poster was asking USO about a comparison to the Discovery (or was it Vector?), and if he should get the TS-12x since he wanted better glass. Surprisingly, the sales clerk carefully discouraged him from doing so. Attesting (for me) that the glass is the same.


Matthias
 
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JungleShooter said:
🔸 I distincly remember an post on AGN, less than two years ago, of someone who called USO: The poster was asking USO about a comparison to the Discovery (or was it Vector?), and if he should get the TS-12x since he wanted better glass. Unbelievably, the sales clerk carefully discouraged him from doing so. Attesting (for me) that the glass is the same.


Matthias
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I read that post, it wasn't a USO sales clerk it was a person who sold both brands among many others at their facility.

I used one after the other within 24 hours.
 
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CTairgunner1288 said:
I read that post, it wasn't a USO sales clerk it was a person who sold both brands among many others at their facility.
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Thanks for the correction. 👍🏼 It's been a while I read this.


🔶️ My not so new eyes don't see a difference in the glass of the USO and the Discovery (and another AGN member did a side-by-side and only gave a small advantage to the USO).
But hey, my eyes have never been spoiled by tier 1 nor tier 2 glass. So, if you'd call me "glass-ignorant" — I don't have much to defend myself against the label.... 🤣

Matthias
 
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JungleShooter said:
Thanks for the correction. 👍🏼 It's been a while I read this.


🔶️ My not so new eyes don't see a difference in the glass of the USO and the Discovery (and another AGN member did a side-by-side and only gave a small advantage to the USO).
But hey, my eyes have never been spoiled by tier 1 nor tier 2 glass. So, if you'd call me "glass-ignorant" — I don't have much to defend myself against the label.... 🤣

Matthias
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You're much better versed in this realm than I am, I take everything you say with open ears. I just can only comment on my back to back experience 😀
 
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Sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to optics. Plenty of people out there content with lower end scopes and have never looked through a quality scope with japanese or german glass. The difference is amazing at what can be seen with less magnification of high quality scopes versus needing more magnification and larger objective bells on lower quality scopes. The chinese and philippine market of scopes have come a long way and are showing vast improvements from their past examples.
 
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Kevin,

thanks for the kudos 😊 — I might know specs, but not glass....



Mark and Matt,

thanks for the warning about protecting my eyes from looking through expensive glass! —
I do need to be careful, thanks to corona my disposable income has experienced some resizing not unlike a .22 slug forced through a .177 slug sizer.... 🙃

Matthias
 
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CTairgunner1288 said:
I know there were a few threads either about or where discussion arose about the USO TS-12x and how it is the same scope as the vector veyron 3-12 counterpart and a couple others possible? (cant really remember).

The other big difference is the eye relief is better suited for a rifle with this cheek positioning, I needed it to be further away and it is!
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I recalled our previous discussion this morning.

I got a Leshiy 2 recently and have been trying different scopes on it. I hadn't tried my Vector 3-12x44 but today found some rings that I thought would be high enough to clear the back hinge area.

Long story short this size scope has potential but this specific one does not have enough eye relief for me. Can't move it any further back with the hinge release lever on the L2. It could work but would be borderline uncomfortable and this reticle doesn't work for me below 6x anyways. Any offset mount would put it too high unless there is something out there I haven't found yet.

I looked up the specs and eye relief for the Vector is listed at ~3.5". The US Optics at 2" to 3".

I've read more than once that the USO has more than the listed eye relief but you're the first person I recall suggesting it has more than the Vector or Discovery.

Can you give me an idea of how much more you think it has than your previous Vector?
 
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