Premier 14.3gn .22 cal pellets

Crossmen gets a bad rap, I shoot them exclusively and the shoot very well. At an excellent price point.

The Crosman Premiers .22s have been good for me out to 40 yards… consistently. I plink with them out to 54 yards almost everyday. Chipmunks aren’t safe at 50 yards. All of the above with my sub 18 FPE Atomic XR.

P.S. over 100 pests would testify, if they could.

Harv24 said:

Crossmen gets a bad rap, I shoot them exclusively and the shoot very well. At an excellent price point.

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They've done well for me over the last 17 years

I love a good but cheap pellet so I consider myself blessed to be of such magnanimity as to not grow bitter in response to the near weekly threads that pop up about Crosman Premier pellets.

many years back crosman premiers were the jsb’s of there time , it was one of the best pellet you could get and was used in testing alot of guns

lol truth is theyre adequate for anything realistic, my prod stacks um, cayden can pop chicken eggs every time at 80 with them .. hundreds of kills on pests around here with them .. go outside .22 or .17 and your forced into more expensive pellets though ..

I use them in both my leshiy 2 and dreamtac, but I find that if I use them for pesting purposes, most of the time the critter is not Drt. They end up disappearing down their holes or up the tree. Follow ups are often needed. This isn’t due to lack of accuracy or shot placement either. They’re just much harder than the hades I normally use, so I think the wound channel is not as large. When I shoot hades, whatever I hit, they’re usually Drt or close to it. I always find the remains. Maybe I’m shooting them too hot?
Any criticism or advice is welcome.

@madeintheuk, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you are describing experiences mostly associated with tree squirrels and ground squirrels.

While there is certainly a difference in the tissue damage produced by a semi-wadcutter like the Hades compared to a dome like the Crosman Premiers*, I am skeptical of discounting the difference in accuracy as insignificant. We are dealing with very small kill zones with critters like squirrels. For example the 1" group at 35 yards in the original post is very likely a 1/2" group with the Hades. A 1" group is not sufficient to hit the brain of a gray squirrel every time which is what is required if we want something approaching 0% run-offs. A 1/2" group is sufficient.

Toss in the other inevitable factors conspiring to degrade our shot placement--a little breeze, a last-second movement of the animal, etc.--and that difference in accuracy grows more significant still.

But what about a shot to the vitals? Well yeah it is more forgiving in terms of a kill vs. wound, but not in terms of producing a DRT.

* Also lumping the Crosman hollow points into the domed category because the cavity is too small (and the alloy too hard) to make any meaningful difference compared to the domes marketed under the Ultra Magnum name.

I have had similar results from hades and jsb domes. He crosman just seem to be so hard, they don’t expand and dump their energy as efficiently. While I agree accuracy may be slightly to blame, I think the lack of expansion is less forgiving than a hades that makes a larger sound channel.
I don’t need to hit a squirrel in the head to be Drt either. Vitals shots produce same results if not better for me. I also lump in chipmunks in this category. I have hit many chippers with both crosman and jsb, and the crosman just don’t drop them like the jsb does. Again, it could be slight accuracy differences, but I think it has more to do with expansion and therefore a more forgiving shot.

madeintheuk said:

I have had similar results from hades and jsb domes. The crosman just seem to be so hard, they don’t expand and dump their energy as efficiently.

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Having retrieved many different pellets from gray squirrels, I have never observed any significant expansion of a domed pellet of any brand. Not even when they strike bone, let alone soft tissue. And after using a scope cam diligently for several years, every instance of a runner (not DRT) could be attributed to placement. Wadcutters and legit hollow points were clearly more forgiving of marginal placement...but if the placement was good, it mattered not what kind of pellet it was. My takeaway: those beating the drum about accuracy >> expansion were right all along.

2 of my 3 22 cal airguns quite like the CPHP pellets right out of the tin. Well enough that I bought at least a 2 years supply at my current consumption rate.

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My goal was to find the lowest cost pellet that would shoot well and these be they. Despite being labeled as a hollow point, I didn't buy them hoping they would expand well and have no idea if they do or not out of my guns.

dizzums said:

lol truth is theyre adequate for anything realistic, my prod stacks um, cayden can pop chicken eggs every time at 80 with them .. hundreds of kills on pests around here with them .. go outside .22 or .17 and your forced into more expensive pellets though ..

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I wish my 22 prod would shoot them well. I have many thousands of them on hand. Granted the gun is only about a month old, unmodified and has only had maybe 250 rounds through it. It does shoot sub 0.20"ctc for 5 shots with the Mesiterkugeln and Excite Hammer's into a ragged hole at 50 feet with a rest. The CPHP avg about 3/4 to 1 inch for 5 shots at the same distance.

@madeintheuk, @nervoustrig, gives good insight and advice on the subject of expansion in pellets. I’ve taken many pests with Crosmans and JSB Exact Jumbos. With proper placement I haven’t noticed a difference in DRT performance. I don’t believe pellets can “expand” on critters at the velocities I’m shooting my PCPs.

I thank you both for your insight, and apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread. I will do more testing with the cphp. If I can get them to be as terminal as my hades, then I’m a happy camper. I have over 12000 cphp on hand, so it would be extremely beneficial to me if they worked well.

Btw, I’m shooting them from my dreamtac at around 700fps, and from my Leshiy 2 at around 930fps. At both speeds they were stacking at 35yds.

I use the Crossman pellets exclusively in my impacts I’ll shoot with anyone out to 50 yards. I had a pulsar that absolutely loved them hole in a hole at 35 yards and in. I so wished I’d a kept that one. I had to do a lot of tuning on my impacts to shoot these,one has a standard deviation of between 2 and 3 and the newer mk3 is between 5 and 7 ,but I’m way happy with both.

All of my Weihrauchs and my BSA R 10 shoot near one hole groups at 35 yds with CPHPs. My HW 9O loves 10.5 Crossman Domes.

Id never be cought dead having cphp on my bench, pffttttt... A barrel of my guns will never see a crosman run through it..

Lol, how many times have ive heard or read that ? I wii admit i pretty much shoot cphp exclusively for years but these latest ones aint ad good as the older ones . They changed somthing in there process. Like the gray stuff on them is gone, the sizing ain't as good, more flies then before , ECT.

The first tin i opened with the new " air power" packaging i noticed somthing was off just looking at them. I got comparison stuff and gta . Anyway i still shoot them , but .. its now that cheaper better product. ( Cheaper for them to make and better profit for there shareholders).
Crosman should of left well enough alone ... Also the new style tin is sadder then the original red white and blue tin packaged cphp. I also noticed the new tin ill assume its a line number is all the same number where the old style tins are random. ( Printed on lid edge / side). But there not bragging that made in America as well on the new looking tins ..lol, hmmmm....

I can't even find the domes anymore, they are always sold out in my neck. They have been great in everything. I've got a bunch of the hollow points I'll try next.

rcs9250 said:

I’m picking up 6K domed this afternoon at PA.

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How much are they from PA?