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Simplemann said:
It all depends on what air gun vs. what powder burner :unsure: I know for myself I'm getting more "bang" (no pun intended):) with my air guns(y).
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Very true.

PCPs are pricey, so are compressors and tanks and scopes. But once those are bought, there's only pellets (or slugs) to buy. The airgun that I've shot the most has over 22,000 pellets through it. Imagine the price tag for shooting that many 9mm or .223 or whatever other firearm caliber you'd like to compare it to. And that barrel in the 22,000 pellet gun is perfectly fine, not shot out and needing a rebarrel like it would on a powderburner.

Just googled and see that a 1000 rounds of bulk FMJ .223 Rem ammo is listed at $390. 22,000/1000 = 22 boxes of this "bulk" example. 22 boxes x $390/box = $8580. The airgun I've shot the 22,000 out of was using JSBs, bought 5 or so years ago, when a 500 ct tin was down around $10-12 bucks. Lets call it $12/tin. 22,000/500 = 44 tins. 44tins x$12/tin = $528.

Just one example

Getting set up in airguns is pricey, but the actual shooting part of it is MUCH cheaper than burning powder. Especially if you really like to shoot. Not to mention that ability to do it inside city limits, in your backyard, without blowing out your eardrums and getting a sore shoulder, etc.
 
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There are some air guns that are outrageously priced, I'm sure they're worth it in their own way but there are also a lot of really good air guns that fit in every budget. Me personally I only have PCP air guns. One of the ones I own is a Hatsan jet, it can be a pistol and a carbine. I have it in 25 caliber and I paid under $300 for that. It's a lot of fun to fire and it's cool looking. Plus we can't forget the advantage of PCP guns over regular guns, no waiting, you can order them online and have them delivered to your door next day.
 
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Franklink said:
Very true.

PCPs are pricey, so are compressors and tanks and scopes. But once those are bought, there's only pellets (or slugs) to buy. The airgun that I've shot the most has over 22,000 pellets through it. Imagine the price tag for shooting that many 9mm or .223 or whatever other firearm caliber you'd like to compare it to. And that barrel in the 22,000 pellet gun is perfectly fine, not shot out and needing a rebarrel like it would on a powderburner.

Just googled and see that a 1000 rounds of bulk FMJ .223 Rem ammo is listed at $390. 22,000/1000 = 22 boxes of this "bulk" example. 22 boxes x $390/box = $8580. The airgun I've shot the 22,000 out of was using JSBs, bought 5 or so years ago, when a 500 ct tin was down around $10-12 bucks. Lets call it $12/tin. 22,000/500 = 44 tins. 44tins x$12/tin = $528.

Just one example

Getting set up in airguns is pricey, but the actual shooting part of it is MUCH cheaper than burning powder. Especially if you really like to shoot. Not to mention that ability to do it inside city limits, in your backyard, without blowing out your eardrums and getting a sore shoulder, etc.
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Exactly, I go to the range at least once a week and shoot 10-15 rounds of 9mm, sometimes I bring my 22LR pistol. Then I shoot at least 100 pellets. The math you showed is exactly the reason I started shooting air guns again. When 9mm were going for $50 for a box of 50 I was not going to play that game. Also like you stated if I feel like shooting I go in my garage and do some shooting :). The fundamentals are all the same, minus the explosion and kick back. Im glad I got back into shooting air guns:).
 
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Chukar60 said:
If all of them are gouging, then it isn’t gouging. It is called inflation.
My business is run to make a profit, I don’t need the practice. In the last two years fuel is almost double, labor is up 35%, chemicals up 40% when I can get them and parts have doubled when available.
I had to buy two new drive engines for my equipment. Three years ago they cost $1,850 each. Three months ago they cost $3,799 each and now they are not even available and the mfg will not issue and ETA to dealers.
I understand how frustrating the current financial conditions are but please think before you blame businesses. We are dealing with the same conditions and along with our family we have to stay afloat to support our employees and their families.
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No offense to you pal! I get it about making a profit to earn a living. Here in California it ticks me off to know we're 50 miles from gas refineries & pay more than the rest of the country! THAT'S the kind of gouging I'm mostly referring to. My natural gas bill went up to almost double & next month we have a credit coming! Just don't know who/what to believe or have faith in anymore. Grrrr
 
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Gerry52 said:
No offense to you pal! I get it about making a profit to earn a living. Here in California it ticks me off to know we're 50 miles from gas refineries & pay more than the rest of the country! THAT'S the kind of gouging I'm mostly referring to. My natural gas bill went up to almost double & next month we have a credit coming! Just don't know who/what to believe or have faith in anymore. Grrrr
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I hear you on the price hikes. It's winter here AND they decided to raise NG prices conveniently just before. Everytime I go shopping, the items are 25-50 cents more than the previous week. It's getting absurd.
 
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I know PCP guns along with the compressor, tanks and other accessories can get very expensive but don't forget about springers and other types of non PCP air guns. All you need is a tin of pellets and you are good to go. It's a much cheaper alternative.

I was just at a gun show today and the prices on everything we're crazy. I really enjoyed looking around but I'm glad I did the bulk of my gun buying along time ago.
 
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dizzums said:
yeah it cracks me up to see the new guy all excited about 'saving money' on his new high dollar euro-trash airgun .. time he sets it up with air and tanks and those 'cheap' 25$ a tin pellets he couldve bought several decent firearms and a couple thousand rounds each lol ...ya .. big savings there
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I always used to buy mid and top tier guns. When I got into PCP's it basically put into perspective not give a crap anymore trying to build up my guns and trying to save money when one of my PCP's was 10x the cost of a gun.

So I traded in all the mid & top tier stuff I had for all the premium tier guns. Thanks PCP's for making me a snob. hahahaha
 
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Simplemann said:
It all depends on what air gun vs. what powder burner :unsure: I know for myself I'm getting more "bang" (no pun intended):) with my air guns(y).
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Same here. When into PB’s I would shoot 50 maybe 100 rounds of pistol. With a rifle, 20 maybe 40 rounds. With my air rifles or pistols it’s 300, 400 or 500 rounds. Much more trigger time.
 
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Gerry52 said:
No offense to you pal! I get it about making a profit to earn a living. Here in California it ticks me off to know we're 50 miles from gas refineries & pay more than the rest of the country! THAT'S the kind of gouging I'm mostly referring to. My natural gas bill went up to almost double & next month we have a credit coming! Just don't know who/what to believe or have faith in anymore. Grrrr
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No offense taken. Just taking the opportunity to defend small businesses like mine.
Where I live we enjoy the some of the lowest electricity prices in the nation thanks to hydro-electric generation. You would think how in the world could that justifiably go up? Simple, employees are more expensive to retain, fuel for the fleet is higher and their parts and supplies are more expensive. And this is in an industry whose pricing is governed by the State utility commission. We are all in the same frying pan together, and we will all get through it together. Storms never last forever.
 
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Yes; PCPs are quite expensive for the upper 1/2 tier and higher. However, the refinement In their machining, finish, technical excellence, Accuracy(!), etc. will put Many ( if not Most) powder burners to Shame.

I am an enthusiastic user of Both families of weapons. In a side by side the construction and complexity of the PCP‘s over powder guns should easily justify the cost difference.

Furthermore, if we go into the “Feeding” of powder guns things have taken on the air of a different PLANET recently. I shoot almost exclusively my own home reloaded cartridges for a good number of chambering and the Component Material costs have just gone into Orbit in the last 3 years. What used to cost $200 in Powder and Primers will now easily cost $500… Really bad.

As has already been observed here, a tin or two of the best .22 pellets made that can all fly through a Dime at 50 yards in a good PCP will cost less than $40 for 1,000 Rounds…and feel almost like Meditation while you are clicking away with them all mellowed-out at the bench😎
 
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L.Leon said:
Deep fried “sparrow poppers”, yum, yum, eat ‘‘em up!🙀
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If you crisp them up good, the bones don't even need to be removed. They add a nice crunch and texture!

I'm thinking gut and stuff with a jalapeño that's stuffed with cheddar and cream cheese, then wrap the whole thing in bacon and drop them in the fryer. Once out, smother in your favorite hot sauce.

That  should cover the taste!
 
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Sub-$100. Crosman 760, M4-177, Legacy, and 2100. Also PM45, 1377/22, also stocked 13xxs. Daisy 35, 880, and 901. Also the 25, Buck, and Red Riders. Umarex UGX plus on-sale breakbarrels. Browning and Ruger pistol clones. Gamo IGT pistol and several breakbarrels on sale. Beeman P17 and several breakbarrels on sale. Lots of guns where you just need ammo and an occasional drop of oil, and you're in for less than a day's wages!
And with the rise of the price point PCP, you can get a decent rifle and hand pump for less than a week's wages.
 
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Boostcreep said:
Right?! I defend my hens to the death at this point. Then eat whatever I had to kill to save them. About to start urban hunting for free meat. Toss on the ghillie suit and camo cover the gun, nobody would see me! They're too busy playing on their phones anyhow.
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Yes! Love it.
 
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Chukar60 said:
If all of them are gouging, then it isn’t gouging. It is called inflation.
My business is run to make a profit, I don’t need the practice. In the last two years fuel is almost double, labor is up 35%, chemicals up 40% when I can get them and parts have doubled when available.
I had to buy two new drive engines for my equipment. Three years ago they cost $1,850 each. Three months ago they cost $3,799 each and now they are not even available and the mfg will not issue and ETA to dealers.
I understand how frustrating the current financial conditions are but please think before you blame businesses. We are dealing with the same conditions and along with our family we have to stay afloat to support our employees and their families.
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This is so true, basic consumables for me like saw chains, files, airfilters and bar oil have tripled. Work mans comp is over 50% and if I try to bill clients for half of the sundries need to complete their project they think I'm robbing them.

Thats on top of trying to be competetive in an oversaturated market.

Had to go get a big boy job to keep myself from going under.
 
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Gerry52 said:
No offense to you pal! I get it about making a profit to earn a living. Here in California it ticks me off to know we're 50 miles from gas refineries & pay more than the rest of the country! THAT'S the kind of gouging I'm mostly referring to. My natural gas bill went up to almost double & next month we have a credit coming! Just don't know who/what to believe or have faith in anymore. Grrrr
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Government is the problem, not private sector companies.
 
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