Acceptable average 20 yd springer accuracy??

Oquossoc · Feb 21, 2023

So you got yourself a quality HW spring gun, put a tune kit in it, put a decent scope on it, put a couple tins through it. Not talking about your best day, just your average performance, 10 shot groups 20 yards, what do you expect? ctc measured, not show boating. I'm asking because I really don't know how to tell if I've got a shooter or not. In powder burners, deer rifles I like my guns to be close to an inch at 100 yards, some are better, some 1 1/2" is the best I can get them.

Sqwirl57 · Feb 21, 2023

Never grouped a gun at 20yds but here's my LGV at 30m. For scale, the 4 ring measures 30mm/1.18" across.

This group is 30 shots:

And another 20 shot group I did after swapping springs and seals:

cea1960 · Feb 21, 2023

I rarely shoot paper. Last week the wife gave me container of cherry tomatoes that turned. Setting them on golf tees at 20 yards I went 16 for 23 hitting them with the 1st shot. That is with my Motorhead tuned .177 HW30 and RWS R10 wadcutters. I shoot this rifle at least 5 times a week free hand and shoot about 500 pellets a week.

OldSpook · Feb 21, 2023

If it's an HW and it's not passing the ten dimes challenge at 25 yards something is amiss.

1) Check your screws and fittings
2) Scrub that barrel out real good and polish it with something.
2) Get a pellet sampler and do that thing

Hateful McNasty · Feb 21, 2023

Well .... You got to wonder how the tune went. Then some break-in. Pellet picky ? I just put a seal in this r9 .177 using cphp and maybe under 50 shots stock opensights/ irons .

Could it be better ? Ya i guess. Could it be worse? Yup . Cant dsy scoped i rarely use one.

Here's the same at 10m-50y. That same time next 5 + checking how flat the trajectory looked. ( X marks the hold aim points)

Not saying its so Great but maybe a reference you can use some how. You shoot 500- 1000 and then see where you stand .. (opinion)

Mycapt65 · Feb 21, 2023

Any scoped Weihrauch should be half inch (or better) at 20 yards. That's average group size across a page of ten targets. Some will be better, some worse. That's also shooting seated at a solid bench with some experience shooting springers.

crowski · Feb 21, 2023

This was last week HW97 .20 cal. 30 yds. 5 shots each hole. Holes are 3/8 in.

This has a Vortek kit. It was amazing before. The sound is nite and day. Crow

boscoebrea · Feb 21, 2023

A 10-shot dime size is good.Here is10-shot .22 Tomahawk size at almost 30 yards.Yes ,best I have ever done with it..My R-7 and .20 R-9 have an easier time being consistent, also the .22 HW97 is really consistent, not quite as accurate though,but an easy-to-shoot springer.
The R-7 is a special one,it is capable of one-hole accuracy,which I am not.....Oh, average less than a nickel, sitting.

Oquossoc · Feb 21, 2023

Thanks for the input guys, it helps me calibrate. I'm covering quite a few 10 shot groups with a quarter at 20 yds, standing and using a post to rest my hand on. The little HW30s is just starting to settle in with around 350 shots after dropping the tune kit in. I'm figuring out how she likes to be held, and waiting for the AA falcons to arrive. Shooting JSB 7.3 and RWS 7.0 wad cutters. It has been hell on red squirrels at 10 yds! 11 so far, under the bird feeder. The local fox will get fat! I need to just keep shooting, I think it will come together. I have cleaned the bore 3 times (once when I first got it, once when I tore it down after 250 shots to drop the kit in, and today after another 350 shots. Haven't done anything else to the bore.)

Hateful McNasty · Feb 21, 2023

Lol.. i blew it.. hard to see that circle this late.. 3 good 2 zonks. Anyway i think i up to 100-120 shots on this new seal. .. oh well better luck next time.

Oh.. 20y cphp. Sighted in for 50y aimpoint botyom of small circle ( once i added color to see it..lol) i forgot to add

Should of posted pictures of your groups .. maybe i need somthing to strive for or better?

Quick 50y before dark and its time to put up and cover up for the day (same junk as above)

Oquossoc · Feb 21, 2023

OK will post a pic next good day to shoot!! We have snow coming so might be a couple days!

Hateful McNasty · Feb 21, 2023

You got plenty of good looking shots above to Guage by . Nice shooting guys

Sqwirl57 · Feb 21, 2023

Oquossoc said:
Thanks for the input guys, it helps me calibrate. I'm covering quite a few 10 shot groups with a quarter at 20 yds, standing and using a post to rest my hand on. The little HW30s is just starting to settle in with around 350 shots after dropping the tune kit in. I'm figuring out how she likes to be held, and waiting for the AA falcons to arrive. Shooting JSB 7.3 and RWS 7.0 wad cutters. It has been hell on red squirrels at 10 yds! 11 so far, under the bird feeder. The local fox will get fat! I need to just keep shooting, I think it will come together. I have cleaned the bore 3 times (once when I first got it, once when I tore it down after 250 shots to drop the kit in, and today after another 350 shots. Haven't done anything else to the bore.)

Springers are weird man. Aside from the gun settling in and improving, you'll start noticing little things that the gun does and doesn't like. Over the next few tins you're very likely going just see your average groups get smaller and smaller and it ISN'T just going to be the gun getting better. A lot of it is going to be you.

beerthief · Feb 21, 2023

just posted under "what springer did you shoot today " but here it is.

dime or under 5 shot groups @ 20 yards

Mycapt65 · Feb 21, 2023

Stop cleaning the bore. You're ruining your accuracy. Stay with H&N or JSBs and run a few hundred shots through it. You probably know this from PBs, barrels need to be seasoned or fouled after cleaning. Same applies to airguns. It can take a long time to do that after a thorough cleaning. Stay away from Crosman they are hard lead and strip any soft lead seasoning you've done.

The only time I clean a bore is if it's new or new to me or I'm tuning a gun for someone. Even then I'll run several hundred pellets through it to season the barrel and break in the gun. Seasoning is a big part of why new guns really come together after a tin or two.

Septicdeath · Feb 21, 2023

Open sights 1 to 1.5 inches. With a Red Dot the same on a good day. Scoped .75 inches or smaller.
Off of a bag.

I don't shoot off bag unless I'm sighting in a gun. I find shooting paper boring unless I'm shooting indoor.

I shoot reactive targets on my 40 yard outdoor range aways off hand or with my shooting sticks. It is how you would hunt. There are no bags in the field.

maxtrouble · Feb 21, 2023

I highly recommend H&N Field Target Trophy 8.64 452 head size for the HW30. I cleaned my HW30 barrel when I took it out of the box. I have not cleaned it since. I have at least five tins of pellets through my HW30 and a Vortek kit. I can hit nickels at 50 yards off the bag when the wind cooperates. One of my favorite Weihrauchs.

cjtamu · Feb 21, 2023

Wadcutter accuracy probably won’t be as good as the domes at 20 yards and beyond. Best pellets we’ve found for Kim’s HW30 are the JSB/AA 7.33.

Mycapt65 · Feb 21, 2023

maxtrouble said:
I highly recommend H&N Field Target Trophy 8.64 452 head size for the HW30. I cleaned my HW30 barrel when I took it out of the box. I have not cleaned it since. I have at least five tins of pellets through my HW30 and a Vortek kit. I can hit nickels at 50 yards off the bag when the wind cooperates. One of my favorite Weihrauchs.

I too love my Hw30s. By far my favorite guns. My two Hw30s haven't been cleaned since summer of 2019 when I stopped shooting Crosman pellets. There's ten thousand plus shots through each of them since. All I shoot through them (and all my Weihrauchs) is JSB, H&N and occasionally RWS wadcutters. Mostly JSBs in my 177s and H&Ns in my 22s.

Hateful McNasty · Feb 22, 2023

Well for fun and nothing better to do i slapped this gamo package scope on this morning to see vs my iron shots. Lol.. still new seal under 200 shots 20y. Should mention the spring (arh) is not fresh i just been playing around with seals over time , over a year and high shot count on the spring or so? +/-. So its relaxed well. ..

20y cphp.. looks like the windage is off from last i used it.. oh well its just a click job ( but i could blame wind )

Acceptable average 20 yd springer accuracy??

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