Lol….
5 shots at 50y.
.021 ctc
I always knew this gun was an easy .1 MOA gun, but this proves it.
Hahahaha
5 shots at 50y.
.021 ctc
I always knew this gun was an easy .1 MOA gun, but this proves it.
Hahahaha
.04 MOA All Day Long If I Do My Part.
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It’s heavy cardstock. It’s just getting lucky with a good gun.
Very impressive.
What can you tell us about the setup?
Indoor/outdoor?
Wind?
Ammunition?
Velocity?
Ammo prep?
Barrel?
Barrel prep/cleaning cycle?
ES/SD?
I understand you are a competitive shooter and may not wish to share some of this info, but please share what you can so the rest of us can learn/improve.
What can you tell us about the setup?
Indoor/outdoor?
Wind?
Ammunition?
Velocity?
Ammo prep?
Barrel?
Barrel prep/cleaning cycle?
ES/SD?
I understand you are a competitive shooter and may not wish to share some of this info, but please share what you can so the rest of us can learn/improve.
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What I can tell you is that the group was shot with a setup that I would never use for competition. It would never hold up for a 25 shots.
What does that mean?
It means that setups can often produce very small 5 shot groups and never shoot good BR cards because they will throw big flyers.
On the other hand, there are setups that will produce 5 shot groups 4 times or more larger, but never throw a flier. Those are the ones that win BR matches.
What do I mean by setup?
It’s the entire system. Slug, barrel, stock, velocity, strike, tuner position, rest supports, rest position, pressure, lube, etc, etc, etc.
Most people, after shooting a group like that, would assume it’s the best it’s ever going to get and blame the subsequent perpetual flyers on bad slugs or pellets.
Along the way to a great BR gun, there are many places that tease you with great, but fleeting, performance.
This was 38gr slugs at about 840fps, medium wind,
Singular 5 shot groups are absolutely meaningless for determining a rifles competition readiness.
Mike
What does that mean?
It means that setups can often produce very small 5 shot groups and never shoot good BR cards because they will throw big flyers.
On the other hand, there are setups that will produce 5 shot groups 4 times or more larger, but never throw a flier. Those are the ones that win BR matches.
What do I mean by setup?
It’s the entire system. Slug, barrel, stock, velocity, strike, tuner position, rest supports, rest position, pressure, lube, etc, etc, etc.
Most people, after shooting a group like that, would assume it’s the best it’s ever going to get and blame the subsequent perpetual flyers on bad slugs or pellets.
Along the way to a great BR gun, there are many places that tease you with great, but fleeting, performance.
This was 38gr slugs at about 840fps, medium wind,
Singular 5 shot groups are absolutely meaningless for determining a rifles competition readiness.
Mike
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Well said Mike. 
. That’s right, Lou. Just like men….all guns are created equal.
It’s the Indian, not the arrow…..But if you sort your arrows by head size you are sure to do better.
It’s the Indian, not the arrow…..But if you sort your arrows by head size you are sure to do better.
How close to that performance can you get with pellets? Is it possible to group near that with pellets. I know you are a tremendous shot. Just want to hear your comments. Awesome shooting, my friend!!
Linda, pellets are a little more accurate for me…but drift 3x the amount.
The little group is meaningless. It’s how the rifle does on average that is important.
Mike
The little group is meaningless. It’s how the rifle does on average that is important.
Mike
Ok, here is 35 4 shot groups at 50y outdoors.
For the first shot in every group I tried to hold what I felt was the appropriate amount so I could keep the groups mostly near the middle. For the remaining 3 shots of each group , I held in the same place as the first but tried to shoot in a similar condition. This was done to take me out of the test as much as possible for an outdoor situation.
Why 4 shot groups?
Read this. http://www.the-long-family.com/group_size_analysis.htm
This gun is set up the best that I am currently capable of for 50y.
So the 35 group average is .372 MOA at 50y. 140 shots in total.
What do you reckon the chances are for an exceptionally talented Indian with a 1 MOA gun to beat this gun in the hands of a mid level Indian? I’m guessing pretty close to zero.
This concludes the Benchrest lesson for today.
Mike
For the first shot in every group I tried to hold what I felt was the appropriate amount so I could keep the groups mostly near the middle. For the remaining 3 shots of each group , I held in the same place as the first but tried to shoot in a similar condition. This was done to take me out of the test as much as possible for an outdoor situation.
Why 4 shot groups?
Read this. http://www.the-long-family.com/group_size_analysis.htm
This gun is set up the best that I am currently capable of for 50y.
So the 35 group average is .372 MOA at 50y. 140 shots in total.
What do you reckon the chances are for an exceptionally talented Indian with a 1 MOA gun to beat this gun in the hands of a mid level Indian? I’m guessing pretty close to zero.
This concludes the Benchrest lesson for today.
Mike
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This is the kind of stuff that you forced the precision revolution in the airgun industry ~10 years ago.
I expect to see another rush to find the next 'leap' soon.
I see 2x 9s on that card.
I expect to see another rush to find the next 'leap' soon.
I see 2x 9s on that card.
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Outstanding showcase of that rifles potential Mike.
I do believe that qualifies as 'walking the walk'.
I do believe that qualifies as 'walking the walk'.
Quite an interesting read Mike on the 4shot group. I may have to read again to make sure I’ve got my head wrapped around it but it made sense the first time around.
I bet that was a good feeling after the final shot and that ring was still intact.
Enjoy you sharing your experiences with us.
Dave
I bet that was a good feeling after the final shot and that ring was still intact.
Enjoy you sharing your experiences with us.
Dave
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Wait, what. My gun did that once too, only at 100 and I didn’t need flags ( wind only 3-7mph )
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