RTI Prophet Barrels - Information Thread

The interesting discussion on my “Doubled My Prophets” thread regarding RTI barrels prompted me to do some research…
…I’m creating this dedicated thread for folks searching for info on this topic in the future.

To start this discussion, we need to define two RTI terms: “LR” (Long Range) and “RPB” (RTI Proprietary Barrel)

Long Range: RTI custom specification Lothar Walther barrels that have a 1:32 twist rate. These barrels are stamped “LR” on the barrel.

RPB: RTI custom specification barrels

The key thing to note here is that not all RPB barrels are “Long Range”, slow 1:32 twist rate barrels.

In this video, RTI’s Robert describes RTI proprietary barrels as “manufactured by Lothar Walther and then subcontracted out to RTI machining”.

Robert goes on to say that the .22 LR barrels will be made in both 24” length (for the Prophet) and 20” length (for the Priest).

I reached out to RTI regarding the twist rate on the .25 Long Range barrel - as I recently acquired one. RTI responded as follows:

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So, according to RTI, both the .22 and the .25 Long Range barrels are 1:32 twist rate.

Note that RTI also provided the twist rate for their new Prophet II barrels. Note that these are called RPB (because they are specially made for RTI) but that they are not Long Range (because they don’t have the 1:32 twist)

The RTI Shop in Spain still has some .25 Long Range 24” barrels available (.22s are gone - forever likely). Note that they are now very expensive - almost $600:

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You can see on the RTI Shop site that RPB barrels are not all Long Range - this is the new Prophet II 20” barrels in .22 and .25:
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Here is some info on the color of the barrels confusion…
At least with their current barrels Lothar Walther barrels the .177 .22 and .25 are silver. The .30 can be black or silver, depending on the length.
The CZ barrels appear to be black.

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This also shows that RPB barrels are not also LR (blue square). It shows the $600 Long Range .25 barrels that are still available (red square).
Finally it shows the colors of the .30 Lothar Walther (black or silver depends on length) and CZ barrels.

Going way back to November 2020, it seems that the .177 and .25 Prophet barrels were made by CZ. This chart is from Hard Air Magazine’s 11-2-2020 review of the RTI Prophet:

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Summary:
LR stamped on the barrel means it has a 1:32 twist rate.
RTI Proprietary Barrels (RPB) have only been made in .22 and .25 calibers to date.
RTI used both CZ and Lothar Walther barrels in the .177 and .25 calibers in the Prophet over the years.
It appears (to me) that the .22 and .30 Prophet barrels have always been Lothar Walther.

If you have more info on RTI barrels, especially about Prophet barrels, please add it to this thread.

Thanks,

-Ed
 
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I was swapping barrels on my two RTI Prophet Performance V1s today.

I have the .177 and the Long Range .22 and Long Range .25 - all Lothar Walther. The .22 and .25 LR barrels have a slow 32:1 twist rate and polygonal rifling.

The .177 is 510mm long. The .22 and .25 are 600mm.

I took some pictures of the barrel markings, air strippers, and transfer ports. I thought it would be good for anyone researching these barrels in the future.

The .22 is always in the middle in the pictures. The .177 and .22 LR have threaded muzzle ends for the screw on air strippers. The .25 LR has a big air stripper that slides on - the muzzle end is NOT threaded. (I took the air stripper off to verify, required some heat).

I also took a picture of the 3 shroud end caps - as you can see, they all have different opening sizes. (.22 is in the middle).

-Ed

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Thanks. I have tried to keep up with the RTI Barrel and the changes and I still get confused ,
Mike
I have 6 barrels for the P1 and P2,
4 LW and 2 cz. I only use .177 and .22, I've no need for anything larger.

Trust me, I get confused just after having a couple of days not shooting.

I'm going to start putting stickers on the shroud reminding me what barrel is installed. 🙂
 
That, plus the balanced valve, explain the huge power difference between the two

My Prophet Performance V1s will shoot MRDs at 1,070 fps if I crank the reg up to 170 bar. Since I only shoot pellets, that’s a ”monsterous” amount of power for me!

I’m actually always tuning these rifles “quieter“ because I target shoot out to 50 yards in my backyard.

For both .177 and .22, I created softer hammer springs. They work great and cocking is as smooth as my Dreamline. I only use enough preload on the springs to shoot 10.3g at up to 920fps (.177) and 18g up to 920fps (.22). My reg is set at 80bar for .177 and 85bar for .22. When I target shoot at 100 yards, I use the stock RTI hammer spring and bump the reg to 115-120bar.
 
You can also keep the same spring and add some weight in the hammer, same result with less work when swapping calibers (only for the Prophet 1). You only need to melt some pellets inside your hammer. I added 5g or 80 gr and it worked great.

I was actually considering using a LIGHTER hammer when I shoot .177…

The Prophet 2 hammer looks much lighter weight than the Prophet 1 hammer, as it’s all drilled out. The RTI shop told me that it could work in my Prophet Performance V1s, but they couldn’t tell me what it weighed.

I believe when I weighed my Prophet Performance V1 hammers they weighed 36 grams.

Have you weighed the V2 hammer?

-Ed

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I was actually considering using a LIGHTER hammer when I shoot .177…

The Prophet 2 hammer looks much lighter weight than the Prophet 1 hammer, as it’s all drilled out. The RTI shop told me that it could work in my Prophet Performance V1s, but they couldn’t tell me what it weighed.

I believe when I weighed my Prophet Performance V1 hammers they weighed 36 grams.

Have you weighed the V2 hammer?

-Ed

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If you use a lighter hammer, you will need a stronger spring to open the valve enough. So, if you want a lighter cocking action, you will need an heavier hammer with a lighter spring.
 
If you use a lighter hammer, you will need a stronger spring to open the valve enough. So, if you want a lighter cocking action, you will need an heavier hammer with a lighter spring.
That to me now makes sense, for a while whilst using .177 and a lighter spring I could never get the power I desired.
Hammer weight, I overlooked the obvious. Thanks.
 
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If you use a lighter hammer, you will need a stronger spring to open the valve enough. So, if you want a lighter cocking action, you will need an heavier hammer with a lighter spring.

Excellent info - thanks!

So, if I buy a couple spare V1 hammers from RTI and add some weight to them, how much weight would you suggest to start - that will make a noticeable difference without being “too heavy”? 10 grams? More?

Also, I’ve never melted pellets. Could you simply drop the crushed pellets into the hammer and then heat the end of the hammer with a butane torch?