I'm thinking about deleting the 1st reg on my new MK3.... it started creeping and I did the Ernest Rowe polishing trick and it still creeps and I feel that it's too inconsistent. I'm thinking about getting the Kraford Lypt 1st reg delete fitting. Has anyone here deleted their's ????
Has anyone deleted the 1st reg. on their MK3 ???
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I'm about to remove mine. Ordered a bypass from Saber Tactical and it arrived yesterday. "Delete" is such a strange word that people started using for the procedure. 
Anyway.... The first reg in the M3 is really a hair-brained idea, IMO. It's very limiting since you're supposed to keep the regs at least 30-40 bar apart from each other. I could see some benefit if running a 300 bar fill, but at the standard 250 bar it really makes no sense to me. And my first reg hasn't been tracking consistently either. So it's a goner.
I researched it here and elsewhere and I found zero people that were unhappy after removing the first reg. So worst case scenario, in the odd event that the performance is negatively impacted from me removing the first reg, I'll just pop it back in if need be. But I doubt that will happen.
Anyway.... The first reg in the M3 is really a hair-brained idea, IMO. It's very limiting since you're supposed to keep the regs at least 30-40 bar apart from each other. I could see some benefit if running a 300 bar fill, but at the standard 250 bar it really makes no sense to me. And my first reg hasn't been tracking consistently either. So it's a goner.
I researched it here and elsewhere and I found zero people that were unhappy after removing the first reg. So worst case scenario, in the odd event that the performance is negatively impacted from me removing the first reg, I'll just pop it back in if need be. But I doubt that will happen.
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I haven’t done the delete, but close to it. I just set my 1st reg at 200 bar. I first did this with my Maverick. Maintaining the differential was a PIA. Never saw an adverse effect, so when I got my M3 and saw the idiot placement of the first reg it got turned to 200 bar and I forgot it was in the gun. Once again, no ill effect.
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Thanks for your reply......I'm going to try it also.I'm about to remove mine. Ordered a bypass from Saber Tactical and it arrived yesterday. "Delete" is such a strange word that people started using for the procedure.
Anyway.... The first reg in the M3 is really a hair-brained idea, IMO. It's very limiting since you're supposed to keep the regs at least 30-40 bar apart from each other. I could see some benefit if running a 300 bar fill, but at the standard 250 bar it really makes no sense to me. And my first reg hasn't been tracking consistently either. So it's a goner.
I researched it here and elsewhere and I found zero people that were unhappy after removing the first reg. So worst case scenario, in the odd event that the performance is negatively impacted from me removing the first reg, I'll just pop it back in if need be. But I doubt that will happen.
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Thanks......and yes, what a pain in the azz to have to remove the bottle and de-gas the rifle every time to do a small adjustment. My rifle shoots great when that 1st reg works as it should but it's getting too inconsistent for my liking. Thanks again....
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Thanks again.....I didn't know that Saber Tactical made one......I just ordered one from them.....I'm about to remove mine. Ordered a bypass from Saber Tactical and it arrived yesterday. "Delete" is such a strange word that people started using for the procedure.
Anyway.... The first reg in the M3 is really a hair-brained idea, IMO. It's very limiting since you're supposed to keep the regs at least 30-40 bar apart from each other. I could see some benefit if running a 300 bar fill, but at the standard 250 bar it really makes no sense to me. And my first reg hasn't been tracking consistently either. So it's a goner.
I researched it here and elsewhere and I found zero people that were unhappy after removing the first reg. So worst case scenario, in the odd event that the performance is negatively impacted from me removing the first reg, I'll just pop it back in if need be. But I doubt that will happen.
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Never thought about it on my Maverick. I certainly don’t see the PIA part. Mine is set at around 155 bar and have literally never touched it or thought about it. It’s good running second reg from 100-130 bar. I mean reg creep is just part of the game in my opinion. The mav plenum pressure changes with larger ambient temp swings. It creeps up 4 bar or so when it’s cold out. Not sure how it can be stopped with one or two regs as the parts expand and contract either way.
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I can only speak about my gun....the 1st reg creep and being inconsistent re-filling the plenum definitely affects the accuracy. I have never had the second reg creep, only the 1st. In my limited research, it has been said that the 2cd regulator is more accurate with a higher pressure against it as long as it's not more than 250 bar....also, there's a reason why FX didn't put two regulators on the new Panthera....either way I'll find out for myself in a couple days....
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I always figured that the dual reg design was kind of the perfect answer to a nonexistent problem. Maybe I'm wrong, I just like simple things.
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If the 1st reg would work as intended it would probably be ok...but, on my brand-new rifle the 1st reg has never been consistent. I'm tired of dealing with it...Sometimes simpler is better and this is one of those times....
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I run the original reg delete from K&L that was released shortly after the M3 came out. Personal pref, but support products made in the US when I'm able.
Also let's you do this, if you can spot it
Also let's you do this, if you can spot it
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I run the original reg delete from K&L that was released shortly after the M3 came out. Personal pref, but support products made in the US when I'm able.
Also let's you do this, if you can spot it
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Side fill. Good idea!!
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Buddy has the Saber Tac delete on his M3 and a Huma High Pressure final reg. He was having pressure swings with his first reg after it was turned up too high. I think if you are going to want high final reg pressures (150-170Bar) it makes sense to go with a single rear reg like on the MK2. If you arent going to need the extra head room I would just upgrade to a Huma front reg. Im kind of split on if the two reg systems are really needed. I think some setups benefit from having two, but other rifles clearly work well with one.
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