Brain teaser for any math wizards

Stubbers

Member
Mar 18, 2023
2,613
2,885
41
Colorado
What does x represent, what am I solving for? Should be fairly simple.

x = ChamberVolume*(ChamberPressure/(PlenumPressure-PlenumPressure*PlenumPressureDropPercent/100))


x = ChamberVolume*(ChamberPressure/(PlenumPressure-PlenumPressure*PlenumPressureDrop))

Bonus points if you can tell me where this equation may apply in an airgun.

-Matt
 
Last edited:
  • Haha
Reactions: .20calguy
100 ? what does this number come from? shots taken?

That is taking a pressure drop percentage as whole number (ie: 20%) and turning it into a decimal as to obtain the pressure drop. Say I want to know what 20% of a pressure drop from 1000 psi is. One approach is dividing 20 by 100 to get .2 then multiplying 1000 by that, to obtain 200, which is 20%.

I should of clarified that in the equation (that its a percent) so my apologies, I wrote two different equations to clarify.

-Matt
 
  • Like
Reactions: .20calguy
Plenum Volume remaining after shot

Definitely related to a new volume so you win! It's technically not *just* the plenum volume since that volume is generally static, but in this use case it does technically contribute to overall plenum volume, although marginally, so you're mostly right, and not wrong at all technically. A statistical anomaly if you will!

-Matt
 
Last edited:
Great stuff guys. That's what make the Nation great. "A seat at the table for everyone ".

Very much so.

One could re-arrange the equation to determine approximately how far your pellet is down your barrel when your valve closes (and re-arrange again to find the pressure), since that volume is one that increases during the valves duration, you just need to know the relevant data to apply to the equation!

-Matt
 
  • Like
Reactions: drpietrzak
The equation below don't use a Fpv correction, maybe they should....

v2 = (v1 * p1) / p2

One can use the same equation re-arranged for the pressure as well.

p2 = (v1 * p1) / v2

What is FPV?

v2 = (v1 * p1) / p2

This is Boyles law

"For a fixed mass of an ideal gas kept at a fixed temperature, pressure and volume are inversely proportional"

I mistook it for a derivative of Bernoulli's principle earlier, but its actually Boyles law.

 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: drpietrzak
Compressibility correction factor for when the ideal gas isn't a good approximation.


In the application that I am using this formula for, I am not sure its not necessary because its gas/pressure from one volume compressing gas/pressure in another volume via a piston. I'd imagine that correction factor would cancel itself out no? There are other factors to consider, such as the loss of thermal energy if the process is adiabatic.

-Matt
 
  • Like
Reactions: drpietrzak
In the application that I am using this formula for, I am not sure its not necessary because its gas/pressure from one volume compressing gas/pressure in another volume, there are other factors to consider, such as the loss of thermal energy if the process is adiabatic.

-Matt
I have to agree, not sure why it was noted by Airgunshooter. I am more familiar with
pv = zmRt where z is correction for a non-ideal gas. Drop the z for the ideal gas law.
 
The majority of the 'work' done in this scenario is done in 50-100 micro seconds, very fast, so I keep the formula simple and sweet for myself, the compressive force continues to work for another 100-500~ micro seconds after the initial work is done so I treat the condition as ideal since over the duration of the event it becomes fairly 'ideal'.

-Matt
 
Last edited: