Brand Spanking New HW95/98 .177 power numbers?

I'm certain your airgun regulations are statewide. Their definition of an airgun is
"an air gun is a pneumatic, spring, BB or paintball gun that expels a single spherical projectile not exceding .18″ in diameter or has a muzzle velocity that does not excede 700 feet per second or expels a breakable paint ball containing washable marking colors, then the air gun is not considered a a non-powder burning firearm."
As far as I understand it, anything that doesn't fit the above guidelines is considered a firearm in Illinois and would require a FOI card to own. I may be interpreting it incorrectly but think its been covered on this forum in the past. I remember shaking my head while reading the posts about how restrictive the regulations were.
I've never had any issues here . 15ish pellet rifles here now, give or take! 10m stuff up to 20fpe on my old Webley & Scott. I have possessed a state FOID card since the time I was old enough to apply(30 some years?). Have the powder burners, but they sit idle as my passion is these low power spring rifles! I'm awaiting a call from AoA. Need more information. Certainly underpowered from what I was expecting.
 
My HW 98 has been sitting unopened, for over a week. I saw this thread and had to look. It does have the new stock...not a deal breaker. 5 shots with JSB 8.44,...797, 788, 794, 790, 796. Basically 11.75 ft lbs. I think these rifles have been specifically tuned for that. I am going to shoot it a while and see. I am also going to put an LDC on it first off. That end is one heavy piece of steel. I really was expecting 900 fps, which is why I bought the 177.

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Thanks for the information. Same power as mine. Sounds likely that you are correct on the tuning. Good to confirm that it's at least intentional and not a bad rifle. I'm getting used to the stock. May also look into the mod swap.
 
Thanks for the information. Same power as mine. Sounds likely that you are correct on the tuning. Good to confirm that it's at least intentional and not a bad rifle. I'm getting used to the stock. May also look into the mod swap.
This is getting in same power range as my FWB 124D and HW 35E and maybe others. Wondering if worth getting. I was thinking about the HW 98 for longer range than the guns I got. If tuned down, the HW 97 looks better to me. Hope somebody can verify if the HW 98 has been tuned down.
 
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Exactly! Why bother buying new when you are going to have to stick a tune in it anyway? No more HW's for me.
Well... You get what you pay for .... ( And sometimes less). I've said that as you a few times and falls on deaths ears with hw guys . I guess its so common place and considered as normal practice.. i guess you just look it over.
 
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Actually, this is the first HW I have ever bought new. I bought it for hunting hoping for 900 fps in 177 on squirrels. I will NEVER buy another HW, as they cheated me on this one...I learn my lessons. Yes, I can make it shoot where it should. But, it will cost me time, and money. No, I cannot send it back as the restocking fee is almost the same as the loss for upgrading it to where it should shoot. What a F"""king scam.
Well i was being a little unfair above , but your best served by snatching it apart and clean up any factory mess.. mostly the seal.. 2 things i noticed is the tube cutouts with sharp " razor blades " left and the seal being a bit undersized ( opinion). So they can smash it in the tube easy overluned without causing lots of of too bad of nicks or gets too scared up during install. ..lol.
My layest r9 the seal was so under it could just free fall from the safety hole area to the bottom transfer port . There was 0 resistance .

So most yend to look that over first off and call ot good and clean relube or replace the seal, or pit a tune kit seal and spring in.. me i just inspect the seal.

And of course deburr the tube ..
 
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I looked up AOA website and it said "up to 950 fps" so I guess it could be construed as marginally accurate if there were no design changes. I think Pyramid Air on some of their air rifle specs actually state what they achieved with a certain weight of pellet. Not sure of any other vendors However, you have all the forum data where the HW 98 is shooting way over the limit so one would reasonably expect the higher velocities. Certainly there is an issue if HW altered the spec on the gun but the Vendor did not change the upper limit of the velocity with the design change in their advertisement. Hopefully you can dispute it successfully with Airguns of Arizona or your vendor. Maybe the bad name being circulated here would help; maybe with HW. I would also dispute it with my credit card company. Would take a lot of documentation to prove your point but I would state it violates the uniform commercial code (I just learned about it as a specifier, I am not a lawyer). " Cetainly per the spec on the rifle it could be used for hunting when is actuallity it is restricted to just a FT air gun. There is a lot of legal issues on warranties which I believe is in the FTC jursidiction (you can file a complaint).

"In addition to what the manufacturer guarantees in an express warranty, the Uniform Commercial Code provides additional consumer protection by providing the implied warranty of merchantability. This warranty guarantees remedy if the product fails to perform as designed." Seems you have at least a basis to challenge it with your credit card should the vendor not make it right. However, may be less trouble to just put a Vortex in it. My 2 cents.
 
This r9 i shoot now out of the box 912 with cphp .177. it was a right at the start of covid gun. ( From pa)

So i kinda got to wonder what covid hickups they still got over there as far as normal experienced workers and all and i dont even know if Germany even lifted all the covid restrictions yet .. so a guy got to wonder about covid/ post covid workplace quality, ect .. plus what hurts more is the $100 jump in the price .
 
Well Guys,
I don't think Weihrauch is de-tuning rifles ... I think you just got one having spring issues. Hopefully, there's no compression chamber issue?
I've always changed out the OEM spring with an ARH relatively soon after purchasing anyway.
I have many if you want one (y). All my HW95/HW98/R9's shot about 880 fps with CPL, which is about 13.6 FPE.

Now on the stock, Weihrauch only eliminated the black abrasive material from the stippling. One could easily mask off those areas and paint on this additional grip in one day .... if desired. Wouldn't be that hard ... if u wanted to.

Lastly however, it seems Weihrauch is using lower quality Beech wood on the newest HW98 stocks.
In the past, I think they used their best wood for the HW98. Plus, it was stained differently - I'm sure Minelli used to make them for HW.

Fundamentally, the guns really haven't changed much besides being $175 more expensive since I bought one in 2016.
Remember too, they got rid of the (nicer) aluminum butt pad in 2016 - just before I bought one ....
 
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May I ask Hy-Score what air gun/rifle will you buy in the future?
I almost said just do a rma for a refund and try a hatsan, crosman, gamo or somthing. They give you the 2 options of rma or use lifetime and let them make it right or at least to there listed advertised specs.. i done figured i best throw a new seal in the order . Heck even my hatsan 95 seal was pretty nicked new with bare min of grease ..lol

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Another option is just gift it to me .. ill appreciate it .🤤
 
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Hy-Score,
I would do a RMA and get your $$$ -> if you're that miffed.
- However, whatever you do ..... remember Hatsan, Crosman and Gamo's are comparative junk vs. a Weihrauch.

I've tuned and shot them so ....... you'll only throw salt in the open wound (n).

It took me at least a week to get over my RAW HM1000x debacle ..... just remember your RMA turnaround constraints.
 
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Alrighty then! I posted to get some constructive conversation, and hopefully some first hand experience on the latest HW98 rifles landing here. Thanks to all that contributed! Shall we carry on? It may have gotten lost, but there was mention of possible compression tube issues. A spring change or variance doesn't concern me. An internal mechanical issue does. There does seem to be several new 98 rifles from the usual suspects that are testing at 12 fpe or under. Hope to learn a bit more as the retailers don't seem to be eager to discuss. "It's all good", is what I've gathered.
 
Alrighty then! I posted to get some constructive conversation, and hopefully some first hand experience on the latest HW98 rifles landing here. Thanks to all that contributed! Shall we carry on? It may have gotten lost, but there was mention of possible compression tube issues. A spring change or variance doesn't concern me. An internal mechanical issue does. There does seem to be several new 98 rifles from the usual suspects that are testing at 12 fpe or under. Hope to learn a bit more as the retailers don't seem to be eager to discuss. "It's all good", is what I've gathered.
It's most likely the Spring ....

But if your really worried about the lack of power, I'd call AoA or whomever you bought it from and mention the issue. If it's the compression chamber, they shouldn't ding you for the shipping/restocking fee (it's defective). Have them install the Vortek spring at your cost (no labor fee) and see if this doesn't solve the power issue. Maybe they'll let you install the new spring to save $$$ w/o voiding the warranty - I DK their polices.

If it fails to give you at least 13/14 FPE .... it's a defective compression chamber. This assumes it's not the breech seal or piston seal too ........

I mention this as I bought a AA Pro-Sport in 2017 from PA, when I dissembled it to tune (1 week after purchase), I found all the compression chamber buttons were shaved down and non-existent. I sent them pics and they sent me a new $80 part at no charge or shipping to make it right.

They could have said, you voided the warranty by taking it apart - but they didn't because this was an obvious defect.

By the same token, a HW98 getting lower than 13 FPE with a very good spring would be a sign of the same type of defect -> even worse as this is relatively un-fixable unless the compression chamber is re-honed or parted out.

Anyway, a good non-emotional dialog with the vendor will go along way in negotiating a resolution (y) .
 
Well brand new not up to standard/ specs. Id definitely have AoA explain and make it right .. your not getting a as as discribed item. You first off got the store rma time and then there lifetime after that on hw's.

That's good money to be dissatisfied out of the box new. Have them make it right first

Anyway i dont inow whats up at hw but seems to be having a hard time getting things back going .
 
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It's most likely the Spring ....

But if your really worried about the lack of power, I'd call AoA or whomever you bought it from and mention the issue. If it's the compression chamber, they shouldn't ding you for the shipping/restocking fee (it's defective). Have them install the Vortek spring at your cost (no labor fee) and see if this doesn't solve the power issue. Maybe they'll let you install the new spring to save $$$ w/o voiding the warranty - I DK their polices.

If it fails to give you at least 13/14 FPE .... it's a defective compression chamber. This assumes it's not the breech seal or piston seal too ........

I mention this as I bought a AA Pro-Sport in 2017 from PA, when I dissembled it to tune (1 week after purchase), I found all the compression chamber buttons were shaved down and non-existent. I sent them pics and they sent me a new $80 part at no charge or shipping to make it right.

They could have said, you voided the warranty by taking it apart - but they didn't because this was an obvious defect.

By the same token, a HW98 getting lower than 13 FPE with a very good spring would be a sign of the same type of defect -> even worse as this is relatively un-fixable unless the compression chamber is re-honed or parted out.

Anyway, a good non-emotional dialog with the vendor will go along way in negotiating a resolution (y) .
I've made a couple of calls and have an unanswered email. AoA doesn't seem to think it's a problem. Said I was the first one reporting the lower than expected power. "Shoot it and see how it settles in" is what was suggested. Hy-Score verified he was getting the same numbers. Maybe some others will run across this thread and chime in. I can deal with springs and seals, but the out of round compression chamber is my concern. I'll shoot it a bit more and then exercise the warranty should I need to. And thanks for the very good information.