Sorry readers my post regarding RAW has been deleted by the admin as I understand

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On what grounds was it removed?

I was following it and don’t recall anything being said that would substantiate even a single post being a problem, let alone the entire thread.

If your FX POI topic hasn’t been burned to ash, I can’t imagine what you or someone could have said to get your RAW topic eliminated. Maybe a fight broke out with politics, threats and profanity while you were sleeping and the topic went off the rails.

It sure would be good manners for the Moderators to offer @mubhaur an explanation.
After all, he is an active and knowledgeable (therefore valuable) member of AGN
And as far as Ican tell from his posts not one to prone to inflammatory or rude comments.
Just my 2 cents

Anyone else agree?
Edward

I would have to agree. Never once seen any rules broken, inflammatory, or false claims.

What was the original thread about?

From what I understand, he came on here to complain before contacting the company.

Everyone should understand this a for profit operating. It funded by advertisers and they need to be happy. We are only members that pay no fee. You get the idea!

shambozzie said:

Everyone should understand this a for profit operating. It funded by advertisers and they need to be happy. We are only members that pay no fee. You get the idea!

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Sit!,
Stay!
Fetch!
Roll over!
Play dead!

Got it

I re-read the forum terms and can find no such statement regarding "contact the manufacturer first."

I'm not sure how that could even be implemented. Some brands have no meaningful customer support, others are hit and miss, and it's subject to changing over time, so it would be quite the burden for the moderators to keep up with a, let's call it an "end user support commitment", status for dozens of brands scattered around the globe, along with validating that each person's request for help has first been preceeded by an earnest attempt to reach the vendor.

I was leaning more toward it having to do with some kind of perception that it contained disparaging or defamatory remarks. As someone having no skin in the game with neither the author nor RAW, I can't say I perceived anything written as meeting the description of defamatory or anything approaching it.

If instead there is a problem with conjecture, speculating, and guesswork...well, then that's tantamount to saying no more helping fellow members with troubleshooting. Troubleshooting as a concept is nothing without the opportunity to freely speculate and guess and brainstorm.

JimBentley said:

From what I understand, he came on here to complain before contacting the company.

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Well if that’s the case and that is going to be enforced, we will see a significant drop in topics. Lots of guys go on a rampage when their new toy isn’t functioning the way they think it should. This is the place to blow off steam until it’s resolved. And how solutions are uncovered and keep us moving forward.

Nothing more frustrating than a moderator who will shut down topics and posts without a clear explanation. A certain small arms forum “RFC” has done that lately and I have let my membership lapse there because of shady bans for permitted content.

I say this from a point of experience I was a content moderator on a popular forum for some years and it’s sure annoying when forum members come on posting a whine with no intent other than to defame vendors or cry and moan. *Sometimes* it is appropriate. The forum does not exist to be a tool used to lash out at vendors every time something does not go well. As a mod the job is to determine which rule was broken and make sure the poster can at least understand why the deletion or ban.

shambozzie said:

Everyone should understand this a for profit operating. It funded by advertisers and they need to be happy. We are only members that pay no fee. You get the idea!

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I totally understand that this is a business and that's fine, just remember what this business sells... access to us. It's the same as all other social media. The content we create and our interaction is what the business sells so without us there would be no sponsors. There should be more middle ground rather than the sponsor purchasing a stick. The rules should not favor the member or the sponsor but act to keep an orderly even playing field. All social media starts out nice and humble but as the business grows and they gain more members and sponsors the bias starts developing towards sponsor demands. Members have the herd mentality so they don't mind losing friends here and there so long as they get to remain in the herd themselves.
There's a better way but it requires a strong backbone.

@ Heavy-impact. +1 on what you said. Go back and read this section of the rules.

shambozzie said:

@ Heavy-impact. +1 on what you said. Go back and read this section of the rules.

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I fully understand the terms but it has no bearing on my statement.

Ok, just remember. He who has the gold, make the rules.

shambozzie said:

Ok, just remember. He who has the gold, make the rules.

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We are the gold. Sponsors make money from us buying airguns. Sponsors spend money advertising on forums.
I'm just saying it takes a careful balance for everyone to be happy and healthy. Don't forget where the gold came from.

heavy-impact said:

We are the gold. Sponsors make money from us buying airguns. Sponsors spend money advertising on forums.
I'm just saying it takes a careful balance for everyone to be happy and healthy. Don't forget where the gold came from.

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Your comment reminds me of my teenage daughter and the dance studio she is a part of. The owner of the studio has fostered this narrative of a complete and utter dictatorship. SHE calls the shots, ALL of them, a real "my way or the highway" type. I'm constantly reminding my daughter that the dance studio owner is my employee. I pay her to do what she does. Her bills are paid by my continued payment of the monthly dance fees. My daughter goes along to get along, but at home offten expresses her displeasure with the studio owner's attitude. The solution of course, is to quit paying the dance studio and pull my daughter out of all the classes. Reminding my daughter of that usually quells the complaining about the studio owner.