I haven't had much success with the 25gr Hades in any of my other .22 rifles (Leshiy 2, Caiman, Ranger). Tried them in the Commander this morning and found a winner. 30yds. I didn't have the chrony mounted so no numbers for comparison and energy info. Transfer port is on the highest setting. The first five shots were in the same hole but the remaining six opened it up some. Same with the CPHC's in the upper right. First half of the mag nearly one hole, then opening up with the remaining shots. I start getting uncomfortable in the shooting position and lose patience. Fun stuff, regardless!