When I buy a gun it’s almost always defective- MANUFACTURERS PAY ATTENTION

Buy from a different shop,, it seems the shops are who do the QC, Or have it sent to an airgun smith/tuner to look it over before you get it. Also paying for and having a QC department will raise costs as well as add time to recieve said product. I want it now is what is spoiling new guns, there is always a rush to get it out. I would rather buy used or ,like new tuned and ready, from a reputable tuner any day of the week, and know it is good when it arrives or i just need to do a couple tweaks and good to go.

AEA and Hatsan come to mind. Hatsan has for the most part been an issue with oversized rifling in the barrels, which they have quickly resolved for me in the past with no hassle whatsoever. AEA challenger with missing parts and reversed orientation baffles. AEA Assasin mags breaking within a 500 shot cycle as well as poppet valves breaking within a 2000 round cycle. Also poor mag design causing pellets to fall back into the block.

Guns I've bought with no problem.
Gauntlet .25
Akela. 22
Huben GK1 .22

Beyond that every other guns I've owned has been second hand.

I have not bought any new merchandise from hatsan to give my input on whether or not they have been doing better with their new gunsQC wise. But I can say that their service has been phenomenal on my end. So I can only assume that they are doing better.

At the beginning of my PCP journey, I ordered from a manufacturer and the gun had issues. Shipped it back, got a refurbished gun. That one was crappy and gave up. Shopped around and decided to give AoA a try since they test every gun they sell. The 3rd gun I bought from them failed a week after I received it. A week after I got the replacement that one failed. It was a budget gun so the quality just wasn't there.
This just seems like something we can't get away from.
Damn shame....

Rizz01 said:

At the beginning of my PCP journey, I ordered from a manufacturer and the gun had issues. Shipped it back, got a refurbished gun. That one was crappy and gave up. Shopped around and decided to give AoA a try since they test every gun they sell. The 3rd gun I bought from them failed a week after I received it. A week after I got the replacement that one failed. It was a budget gun so the quality just wasn't there.
This just seems like something we can't get away from.
Damn shame.....

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That's wild, with all of those experiences back to back I'm surprised you're still in the game.

I ordered a new rifile and leaked after first shot. Valve stem leak or something.. Sent back and fixed and working, but ya I hear you.. Very frustrating.

Mike

PasadenaMike said:

How often do you buy a new gun and find it defective in one way or another? I can’t be the only one.. Mine is like every other one has had issues. From $99-$3000 doesn’t matter. Share please. If manufacturers don’t fix this and we keep buying and fixing they’ll just keep building crap at rising prices every year. Be professional with your answers please we don’t want to shut business down rather change business practices for the betterment of our beloved sport.

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Don't Fret! Like you have said: "You can always take up Knitting!"

This question can only really be answered reliably by using a specific gun (FX for instance , not pointing fingers ) and compared to ALL that gun sold , world wide .
the answer might be 4 in 10,000 or 1 in 650 or some similar number . The reliable answer cannot be ALL brands lumped together from a small group people like this forum . A person can not even form an opinion .
Stan in KY .

My journey has been short. Only been doing this a Few Months. Bought the JTS Airacuda. Not a lick of trouble and shoot it everyday. Then I bought the Used Avenger. The Reg failed. Air Venturi was out of them. 3 Weeks later Pyramid got some in. Put the new one in and adjusted it once. I had to degas it to add a Plenum Extension. "Never touched the stupid Regulator" and when I aired it up? Same thing, the Reg read the same as the Supply Guage. It also after its initial setting would climb over 200 PSI in just under an hour. I have bad luck with Avengers. I sent it off for repairs. Still hoping for a Huma Reg to be made.

PasadenaMike said:

How often do you buy a new gun and find it defective in one way or another? I can’t be the only one.. Mine is like every other one has had issues. From $99-$3000 doesn’t matter. Share please. If manufacturers don’t fix this and we keep buying and fixing they’ll just keep building crap at rising prices every year. Be professional with your answers please we don’t want to shut business down rather change business practices for the betterment of our beloved sport.

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my experience has been the opposite. All my airguns came in perfect shape and if something went wrong... say a leak from a bad seal... then my warranty and great customer service came in to play. Speaking to AOA and Daystate or Brocock - great buying choice.

I have not bought anything new. I have bought plenty used that have had problems i just fixed them and went on without complaint, shortly i realized, that if you cannot work on them, pcps are not for you.

For me AEA's were a whole new level of "lemon" - worked through three guns with several returns for service trying to get one that did not fail every 50-100 rounds. I am happy to say i have never encountered another product like that before or since.

Huben, artemis, kral, airforce, evanix all perfect and reliable.

What Scotay42 said.

Modern air arms are incredibly complicated. More parts mean more problems and we as shooters need to be prepared for that. Add in the fact that there are people that serve their emotional needs by trashing the manufacturers and suppliers and you have what we often see here.

Some seek to fix blame, others wish to fix problems. I'd rather be the latter. A problem is an opportunity to learn.

Cheers,

J~

Maybe I’ve just been very lucky. I started my pcp journey in 2008 with a Talon Tunes Airforce Talon. It was my first pcp and worked great. Since then I’ve owned an AAS410, an early Edgun R2.5, an FX Royale 400, a Daystate Air Ranger, a Kalibrgun Kricket, an FX Impact, two FX Crowns, and Finally an FX Panthera. They have all been great. The worst problem I’ve faced with any of them are a couple FX gauges that that didn’t match with my main fill gauge so I didn’t completely trust their accuracy. Even those were quickly replaced by FX at no charge. There are even a few springers mixed in my journey that I didn’t list. They are all HW variant.
As they age some have needed o rings replaced. Some are sitting in the safe so longer used. My Edgun won’t hold air any longer and I just haven’t had the desire to take her apart and find the leaks since I have others to play with. Maybe one day.
Kenny

All of mine have come to me in good working condition. But then, I've only bought guns with solid reputations from vendors with solid reputations. I've never tried any guns that make me wonder how the hell they were able to build it so cheap.

Not sure why but I forgot to mention the notos since just getting one uesterday and it shoot phenominally with the Jts 18.8gr wadcutters, crosman 14.3gr, and the polymags! But that's without the mag found out the hard way that the mag picks and chooses when it wanta to feed the pellets corrently and when it wants to shove them in sideways, what gives? I had to stop by an Ace and buy a brass rod to tap it out.

JaceSpace1369 said:

Not sure why but I forgot to mention the notos since just getting one uesterday and it shoot phenominally with the Jts 18.8gr wadcutters, crosman 14.3gr, and the polymags! But that's without the mag found out the hard way that the mag picks and chooses when it wanta to feed the pellets corrently and when it wants to shove them in sideways, what gives? I had to stop by an Ace and buy a brass rod to tap it out.

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Ok, just a thought and only a thought, is the probe dead square to the bore? Is it centered? Is it loose? Next up, are the pellets sloppy in the mag? I'd check the probe first. Again, only a thought.

PasadenaMike said:

How often do you buy a new gun and find it defective in one way or another? I can’t be the only one.. Mine is like every other one has had issues. From $99-$3000 doesn’t matter. Share please. If manufacturers don’t fix this and we keep buying and fixing they’ll just keep building crap at rising prices every year. Be professional with your answers please we don’t want to shut business down rather change business practices for the betterment of our beloved sport.

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Holy cow, thought I was the only one! Broken Air Arms S510 after the other from PA last year, 6 month ordeal! Now a FX Dreamline from UA with latent defect, no resolution aside from "we'll glue things together". First out of Steyr, FWB or Walther that brings out a .177cal 16ft/lbs gun with quick fill port gets my money.

HogKiller said:

Ok, just a thought and only a thought, is the probe dead square to the bore? Is it centered? Is it loose? Next up, are the pellets sloppy in the mag? I'd check the probe first. Again, only a thought.

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The probe is slightly loose but only slightly. The first pellet is very tight and the rest fit just fine with no slop

Many threads here on the Notos Magazine failures. PM @Firewalker He sells ones that work properly.