What's up with the $5 dollar difference? Aren't these "the same" pellets just rebranded,
Disparaging price difference
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At those prices… shooting a rimfire is as as economical… I refuse to pay $25 for a tin of pellets to plink with. Some of these vendors will soon simply price themselves out of the market. I am in the midst of overstocking on CPHPs… Their price per tin is more realistic than the “bullistics” that drive up the price of the “branded 
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It's the price you pay for purchasing the "latest and greatest" product. Over hyped to the max in my opinion. I use simple domed pellets for hunting/pesting. Work great. It's a myth that you need a "hunting pellet". It may a wider hole but will penetrate less if it does. Is a wider shallower hole better? I do not think so and I have great results to support my position. But if you want an expanding pellet I would try a poly mag or metal mag. They used to be the "latest and greatest" and are the same pellet they've always been. Or a "crow magnum" or many others. I have not purchased a hades pellet and probably will not. I just do not see the point. I have a tin of metal mags but have not shot them into an animal. Domed work fine and are more accurate in my guns.
FX and JSB pellets are made by JSB. FX negotiates some conditions on how their pellets are made that make them shoot a little difference in some guns. My Avenger likes FX 25.4s but shoots JSB pellets of the same weight well. If you want to try a hades type pellet I would save $4 and try the FX equivalent. If it shoots well but not great you could still try the Hades. But the Atomic may shoot better in your guns. I don't think the difference will be large.
FX and JSB pellets are made by JSB. FX negotiates some conditions on how their pellets are made that make them shoot a little difference in some guns. My Avenger likes FX 25.4s but shoots JSB pellets of the same weight well. If you want to try a hades type pellet I would save $4 and try the FX equivalent. If it shoots well but not great you could still try the Hades. But the Atomic may shoot better in your guns. I don't think the difference will be large.
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At those prices… shooting a rimfire is as as economical… I refuse to pay $25 for a tin of pellets to plink with. Some of these vendors will soon simply price themselves out of the market. I am in the midst of overstocking on CPHPs… Their price per tin is more realistic than the “bullistics” that drive up the price of the “branded
Eh, almost. Or rather, “it depends.” If you’re willing to go with cheap .22LR or wait for the occasional sale, then the price difference between pellets and .22LR can be shrunk. Even so, you’re still looking at almost 7¢/shot for basic “quality” (not bulk packed, copper-washed) .22LR. If you want to get into stuff that actually shoots halfway decent, you’re looking at 10¢ starting. So you still get twice as many shots for your dollar, depending on how you’re getting air (if shooting a PCP).
For me, my plan is to try and stay under 7¢/shot for good, heavy .22 pellets and closer to 4-5¢ for lighter weight stuff. If the gun in question will group with CPHPs and they hold a good group with enough fpe for my needs at distance, all the better!
Even so, the appeal of airguns isn’t necessarily that they save me money (though they ultimately do), but more so that they have unparalleled utility. I can shoot them safely (and legally) in so many more places. Honestly, I’d still shoot them even if pellet prices matched .22LR prices. I might shoot them a little less, but probably not by much.
I am following @L.Leon in stocking those CPHPs deep, though!
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If you are a competition shooter, shooting airguns for the prestige and prizes? Then I can see paying a premium for eeking out the best precision/accuracy possible. But for the “majority” who come to Airguns to simply shoot economically? Hunting, pesting or plinking sub 50 yards? The CPHPs get it done at half the price.
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I recently got 500 NORMA for $ 11.99. 2 250 count tins. I also revisited the Crosman 14.3's today. I get more fliers with them but it is still possible to get an occasional good group! I have JSB's and JTS, and they produce fliers as well, just less in My experience.
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The CPHP do not group well in my cheapo 3622. But the Norma SuperpointStrike 14.5g are one of the best for that ag and they were economical.
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I don’t look for awesome groups with my CPHPs, M.O.P. minute of pest, sub 50 yards? Good enough, the critters don’t care, they simply die… When sending at targets to get tighter groups? I send JSBs or AAs pellets… My PCPs are for fun and practical purposes…
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Considering the Norma's are close to 18 grn @17.6 for the price I couldn't go wrong. What was strange is today the Crosman were doing surprisingly well at just over 900 FPS. lol
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I find what pellet my guns like and that's what I feed them. The huntsman eats most anything, but it prefers the hades/atomic so I stock up on the atomic 4 for 3 at PA since it is the EXACT same pellet for 5 bucks less a tin. Thankfully it likes the cheap norma 17.6 grain too.
My Prod likes atomic and it's all it eats currently. Need to revisit HN terminators though.
JTS 25 cal ammo seems to shoot better in my guns than JSB.
JSB is going to price themselves out very soon if they don't get proactive and fix their crappy tins and bent skirt issue.
My Prod likes atomic and it's all it eats currently. Need to revisit HN terminators though.
JTS 25 cal ammo seems to shoot better in my guns than JSB.
JSB is going to price themselves out very soon if they don't get proactive and fix their crappy tins and bent skirt issue.
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My DAR G3 was a laser with the 14.3 cphp out to 74 yards. They were whizzing along at 965 fps.
I bought 3000 of those Norma 17.6ers good cheap heavy.
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Pays to shop around and check different "branded" pellets. I don't buy pellets unless there is a sale. I will no longer buy JSBs for what I can get JTS 18gr for. JSBs also have too many bent pellets and rejects to mess with. I'm trying slugs in one gun but looking into the price I'm looking at 14+ cents a shot when including tax and shipping. My JTS I got for I think 3.8 cents a shot after tax and shipping on the last sale. Don't know if I really want to mess with slugs much anymore lol
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I did the same and will be buying more soon! Maybe we should quit singing their praises so the Price doesn't go up? LOL
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So buy 3 tins the forth is free $100 ÷ 2000
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Sometimes, yes. Depends on the quarry. Nearly all of my pellets pass through most small beasts at 25-30fpe, so a wider hole is better. It dumps more energy into the critter and leaves the wider hole, as mentioned, for more tissue damage. So much more stopping power compared to a dome, even when both pass through. Occasionally, the Hades/Atomics will not pass through on body shots, so those give a 100% energy dump, whereas domes would have passed through.
Both of those are considerably more expensive than the Hades/Atomics. So I'm curious why you are for those, but against the Hades/Atomics in this thread concerning price. Both of those have also had noticeably worse accuracy/consistency in the several guns I have tried them in. This may vary in some guns, of course, but it is noteworthy pattern. The polymags in particular do expand quite well and have better stopping power than Hades/Atomics, but first you have to hit the spot you are aiming for, and polymags do tend to lack quite a bit in this regard.
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Hades/Atomics are the best performing pellets I have ever used for small game pesting/hunting, and I have tried probably 90% of the hunting pellets that are available. I've been using the Hades/Atomics almost exclusively for over 4 years now. Mostly because they are the most accurate expanding pellets in my guns. And this is across many airguns/barrels. I highly recommend that everyone tries them. Typically, if your barrel likes JSB, it will like these.
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Treniers are more expensive than Pyramyd and so often out of stock. Pyramyd has the cheapest Atomics.
And yes, I'm aware of the price on your screenshots. Still more expensive.
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It actually isn't, I just made the price comparison. Trenier didn't have the hades in stock so I couldn't use those as a direct comparison but their other jsb pellets are the same price. It comes to about $22 dollars cheaper and Trenier packages their tins exceptionally. Whereas Pyramyd Air is hit or miss.
With how AEA/JTS pellets performs, I don't find myself shooting slugs AS much, they just perform extremely well specially having that higher BC than your average pellet from other vendors. And being that they're a few dollars cheaper with newer dies pushing out these mostly perfect pellets, it's a no brianer.
I've thought about buying Norma pellets, never did thinking I would get the same outcome as Apolo pellets. They've only ever shot well out of my turkish guns.
I'm not sure what you're results have been with metal mags, but they definitely show little to no expansion on my end, and at $28 plus tax for a 200ct unless I just hunted larger small game or did pest removal hear and there I couldn't see myself buying them.
On the other hand I've almost always had better accuracy shooting FX over JSB, domes, atomics have 9/10 times shot better than JSB has in my experience. The only exception is the JSB Monster Hades but those were a "let me try these out" those are also pricey for me. I do iguana removal every day so this isnt really convenient for me.
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You guys are right about polymag and metalmag pellets. I bought a tin in 2020 and they haven't shot well in my 3 PCPs so I have not purchased more. They are way more expensive. Relative to expansion, I've only tested them in wet paper and a dead squirrel from my Prod. Metalmags were the only pellet I tested that expanded at all at Prod velocity. CPHPs certainly do not. A couple slugs did not.
I am not a "energy dump" advocate. I don't think that the target really cares how many fpe the projectile expends making a hole in the target. It cares how quickly it looses blood pressure. I prefer more penetration to a wider hole so I can, hopefully, get an exit hole too. Two holes seems to drop blood pressure immediately leading to DRT results consistently. I also did a little approximate math to get a relative feel for how big a hole is big enough comparing the cross sectional area of squirrels to deer. I think a .177 hole in a squirrel damages about the same cross sectional area as a .75 inch hole in a deer. A .22 hole in a squirrel is roughly equivalent to a 1.2 inch hole in a deer. Seems to me that airgun pellets really don't need to expand to damage enough of a squirrel.
I do agree that shooting through animals leaving substantial energy in the projectile can damage things behind the target and reducing the velocity more by having the projectile's velocity decrease more in the target can be a good thing from this standpoint. I think we need to be careful about what we shoot at and what is behind it regardless but less penetration can still be a good thing from this standpoint. Instead of shooting up in trees with my 50 fpe 25 caliber shooting 33.95 grain MKII JSBs I just use my 18 fpe 177, however (it likes 9.5 grain H&N Baracuda FTs). If it exits it will be pretty well spent and the poor ballistic coefficient common to 177 pellets means it will fly about half as far on a miss. But using expanding ammo in a 30+ fpe 22 and never missing would be another way to go.
I am not a "energy dump" advocate. I don't think that the target really cares how many fpe the projectile expends making a hole in the target. It cares how quickly it looses blood pressure. I prefer more penetration to a wider hole so I can, hopefully, get an exit hole too. Two holes seems to drop blood pressure immediately leading to DRT results consistently. I also did a little approximate math to get a relative feel for how big a hole is big enough comparing the cross sectional area of squirrels to deer. I think a .177 hole in a squirrel damages about the same cross sectional area as a .75 inch hole in a deer. A .22 hole in a squirrel is roughly equivalent to a 1.2 inch hole in a deer. Seems to me that airgun pellets really don't need to expand to damage enough of a squirrel.
I do agree that shooting through animals leaving substantial energy in the projectile can damage things behind the target and reducing the velocity more by having the projectile's velocity decrease more in the target can be a good thing from this standpoint. I think we need to be careful about what we shoot at and what is behind it regardless but less penetration can still be a good thing from this standpoint. Instead of shooting up in trees with my 50 fpe 25 caliber shooting 33.95 grain MKII JSBs I just use my 18 fpe 177, however (it likes 9.5 grain H&N Baracuda FTs). If it exits it will be pretty well spent and the poor ballistic coefficient common to 177 pellets means it will fly about half as far on a miss. But using expanding ammo in a 30+ fpe 22 and never missing would be another way to go.
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100%, my minimum for years is purchasing no less than 1,000 rounds in PB
When it comes to pellets, no less than 5,000 rounds
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