Why is Skout Epoch so loud?

Since my last purchase of Daystate Alpha Wolf Safari went horribly wrong and I'm a sucker for electronic air rifles (Daystate AirWolf was probably the best air rifle I've ever owned) I've turned my attention toward Skout Epoch since it is now out in .25

Most comments states that it is very loud.

Why is that?
Excess air out of the barrel which would mean that it's not economical with air
Badly designed original moderator
Something else...

Anyone in the know that could provide a clear answer?
I did try to search but came up short on the subject
 
Moderator design .. INDEED part of the issue IMO.
SIZE of valves Throat / Transfer path .. Indeed part of the issue IMO.
Calibration of the Spool return spring strength. as well Vent jet size creates excessive Dwell in the calibers under .357 IMO.

Corrected all 3 shortly after getting my .30 Skout & been very happy since with a very low shot noise & increased efficiency.
Some of this is outlined here: https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/skout-epoch-share-and-discussion.1286203/post-1507390

My R&D to improve gun starts @ post #47 on page 3 & full spec as of current on post #142
 
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I can't concur with these thoughts. My new Skout in .25 is certainly no louder than my RAW, Daystate, or FX rifles.

The main control logic’s are electronic so should be relatively easy to make modifications and reduce the dwell. When @Motorhead first got his it was needing hearing protection/22LR loud. After his modifications it is MUCH better, still not backyard quiet but huge improvement so it can be done.
 
Since my last purchase of Daystate Alpha Wolf Safari went horribly wrong and I'm a sucker for electronic air rifles (Daystate AirWolf was probably the best air rifle I've ever owned) I've turned my attention toward Skout Epoch since it is now out in .25

Most comments states that it is very loud.

Why is that?
Excess air out of the barrel which would mean that it's not economical with air
Badly designed original moderator
Something else...

Anyone in the know that could provide a clear answer?
I did try to search but came up short on the subject

When equipped with the stock moderator, my .30 cal Epoch is actually only 2-3 db louder than my .25 cal M3. The perception of it being louder comes from the proximity of the shooters ear to its valve, which is ENORMOUS by comparison to the ones found in most air rifles. So, although it IS louder for the shooter, when measured from the front and/or side of the muzzle end of the gun, it is only minimally louder.
 
I can't concur with these thoughts. My new Skout in .25 is certainly no louder than my RAW, Daystate, or FX rifles.
I'm waiting for the resolution on DS AWS return and when it's done, I'll get the Epoch in .25 and will report back here on the noise levels 1m (40") from the muzzle at some 30° to the side as I usually measure with dB meter.
I have the data for at least 4 or 5 of my last air rifles so it should be easy to compare
 
Moderator design .. INDEED part of the issue IMO.
SIZE of valves Throat / Transfer path .. Indeed part of the issue IMO.
Calibration of the Spool return spring strength. as well Vent jet size creates excessive Dwell in the calibers under .357 IMO.

Corrected all 3 shortly after getting my .30 Skout & been very happy since with a very low shot noise & increased efficiency.
Some of this is outlined here: https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/skout-epoch-share-and-discussion.1286203/post-1507390

My R&D to improve gun starts @ post #47 on page 3 & full spec as of current on post #142
I've read almost all posts in that thread but unfortunately my English is not that good to understand which parts exactly did you modify in which way
I do understand the concept but to pin point the part of the air passage you've worked on is a bit fogy to me.

On the other hand, I don't have it in hands yet so maybe it will be clearer to me when I get it and take a peek inside.

Maybe you could make some kind of picture manual on the modification made to date.
 
I've read almost all posts in that thread but unfortunately my English is not that good to understand which parts exactly did you modify in which way
I do understand the concept but to pin point the part of the air passage you've worked on is a bit fogy to me.

On the other hand, I don't have it in hands yet so maybe it will be clearer to me when I get it and take a peek inside.

Maybe you could make some kind of picture manual on the modification made to date.
Being whats been done is purely self done R&D going after a perceived issue that some may see as not an issue at all ?
Nope, only written conversation on that one ... Sorry

If at some time you get hands on one, it would all make sense. AND ... as production moves forward some specs may already have been updated ?

This thread and whats done fits what EPOCHS we received in early production ... if it could be applied long term or not have no idea.
 
At RMAC the Wednesday before everything started was a free day to register and sight in. I happened to be sighting in next to team Skout- the owner and three of the machinists. Those guns were quiet!! I was very impressed with the rapport, and with the newly added bracketry for adding a cylinder weight up front, I was totally in awe of this platform. The owner/designer was super cool to chat with, also.
 
At RMAC the Wednesday before everything started was a free day to register and sight in. I happened to be sighting in next to team Skout- the owner and three of the machinists. Those guns were quiet!! I was very impressed with the rapport, and with the newly added bracketry for adding a cylinder weight up front, I was totally in awe of this platform. The owner/designer was super cool to chat with, also.
Agreed, a very nice group of people they have there!
 
At RMAC the Wednesday before everything started was a free day to register and sight in. I happened to be sighting in next to team Skout- the owner and three of the machinists. Those guns were quiet!! I was very impressed with the rapport, and with the newly added bracketry for adding a cylinder weight up front, I was totally in awe of this platform. The owner/designer was super cool to chat with, also.

Very interesting! Sounds like they are improving their guns, which is a very god thing!
 
Since my last purchase of Daystate Alpha Wolf Safari went horribly wrong and I'm a sucker for electronic air rifles (Daystate AirWolf was probably the best air rifle I've ever owned) I've turned my attention toward Skout Epoch since it is now out in .25

Most comments states that it is very loud.

Why is that?
Excess air out of the barrel which would mean that it's not economical with air
Badly designed original moderator
Something else...

Anyone in the know that could provide a clear answer?
I did try to search but came up short on the subject
what happened with your purchase of the alpha wolf safari?
 
Well, after a breif absence, I'm back on the Skout bus. The result of my RMAC disaster (equipment failure but not the gun) was me sending my .25 cal EPOCH back to Pennsylvania to await further barrel revisions. Although I am not directly sponsored by Skout, my agreement with them affords me priority access to the latest revisions and any changes to the gun. This is all in an effort to push the platform to the top of the benchrest heap. Three months past and at least that many barrel iterations came and went without enough success for me to have received any word that my rifle might returning home soon. In the interim, I was fortunate to be introduced to the RAW HM1000X Mini Hunter by a couple of my reprobate friends. In the absence of my Skout, the Mini quickly and easily displaced my M3 as my primary bench gun. I must say, I was having some very nice success with it (I really can't say enough good things about that gun), when unexpectedly, three weeks ago, I was surprised by a rifle box showing up at my home. It seems the EPOCH had finally returned home.

To that point, I hadn't been satisfied that the EPOCH in .25 was good enough to compete, neither in MY hands nor the hands of anyone I know. Yes the .30 cal had had some success, but I'm not a believer in the .30 form factor, and simply have little faith in it. As a .25 caliber diehard and only a fair shooter (by no means brilliant), I need my equipment to be brilliant if I am to have any hope of being competitive. Well, I can truthfully say that THIS iteration of the EPOCH .25 cal, sporting the latest valve, regulator spring and barrel stabilization paired with the 28" Sub-MOA barrel option, IS freakin' brilliant! My RAW provided a boost in my average 100 yd BR scores of about 5-7 points per card (a great story about a great gun, but for another day), but this 19lb beast of an EPOCH (nothing extra on this gun, that's just what the combo weighs) steps me up to a whole new level! This gun is crazy accurate, infinitely repeatable and a huge leap forward for the platform. Yes, the Karma RP (another brilliant new gun) has been making a lot of noise of late, but lets be honest. The RP is being wielded by guys that were use to being on the podium long before the RP arrived on the scene. The Epoch, on the other hand, has been mostly represented by competent but relatively inexperienced BR shooters. A few old warhorse types are in the ranks (myself included) but for the most part the team consistes of relative newbies, not unlike the gun itself. Even so, this relatively unproven gun has managed to make several appearances on the podium at major events beating out many a veteran pro. Now, with the availabe option of this "next level" barrel, the Sub-MOA bull barrel, as part of the package, there's a very good reason to take another look at Skout.
 
Been testing some KARMA 16mm blanks myself the last few months or so. One a slow twist Karma .25 that's in one of my HP PCPs that is nothing short of outstanding shooting pellets upward of 55 FPE with stellar accuracy & appears to shoot slugs in the 40 grain area exceeding 65 fpe very well.

Indeed the HP area of air gunning is quickly marching ahead !!!!