Simple compact swaging dies

I believe at one point in time some guns came with a small swaging die set that you fill with a piece of lead, and tap with a hammer or mallet to force the lead into the correct shape

Does anything like this exist for someone who wants a portable way to form slugs without having to invest thousands? It seems like it could be a very simple device, I wonder why we don't see more of them advertised?
 
Is there any particular type / category of die that I should be looking for, or will any of the GMI dies work this way?

Never mind... I checked their website (which I don't think it's currently taking orders but you can still take a look at what they've got).

On one level I'm not surprised that a highly specialized durable tool like this is expensive, but on the other I can't help but wonder at the $350 plus price. Are these costly / difficult to machine?
 
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I believe at one point in time some guns came with a small swaging die set that you fill with a piece of lead, and tap with a hammer or mallet to force the lead into the correct shape

Does anything like this exist for someone who wants a portable way to form slugs without having to invest thousands? It seems like it could be a very simple device, I wonder why we don't see more of them advertised?
Had the same thinking, wanting to make my own without having to invest thousands, thats why i made my own and Will get more to sell for about 250€ on .22 with a result of 27grain slug with a big hollow point, you have there the slugs i made, very consistent on size and weight! Is that something guys would want to get?👌🏻

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Is there any particular type / category of die that I should be looking for, or will any of the GMI dies work this way?

Never mind... I checked their website (which I don't think it's currently taking orders but you can still take a look at what they've got).

On one level I'm not surprised that a highly specialized durable tool like this is expensive, but on the other I can't help but wonder at the $350 plus price. Are these costly / difficult to machine?
@MrP - Ken here from GMI, The dies are not that expensive to make, but the time taken to setup and the equipment required is expensive, as in the fixtures, measuring systems, probes etc. Making slugs on a scale is an arduous industrial process, back in 2019 (2017- R&D) when we started, we just made it portable. Many copies and imitations followed but the SOC remains the most successful most affordable tried, tested tooling system for starters.

Here are some insights

a. A swaging die has to be made of tool steel with its post machining and final hardness at upto 60 Hrc max and 50 Hrc min. - anything more than 60Hrc will crack the die if over stressed. Any die set made of 304,316 or 300 series stainless steel is a scam- They may shine but wont survive long.

b. The heat treatment process takes 4 days as it is done using vacuum autoclaves and usually air quenched - Reason, post machining stress relief and heat distortion.

c. Free shipping - Its expensive but worth it.

d. Part alignment- All the tools and accessories are made on different machines, the final part alignment demands a lot of precision, and fixtures are important, we just cant use a machine vice.

So, its kind of sophisticated but we will work on options to make things more accessible. Thanks. Ken.
 
Had the same thinking, wanting to make my own without having to invest thousands, thats why i made my own and Will get more to sell for about 250€ on .22 with a result of 27grain slug with a big hollow point, you have there the slugs i made, very consistent on size and weight! Is that something guys would want to get?👌🏻

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@FabioG How do your slugs shoot out to 100 yards and beyond?
 
Just like the other expensive brands i tested, without any tunning, groupping 1cm at 50mt, and the only test before that without any tunning got 2inch at 115mt with strong wind
@FabioG Withiut any tuning? Did you make them the same weight as the projectiles you’d already been shooting from your gun? Either way, they sound promising. Which airgun(s) are you shooting your slugs from? Which expensive slugs are you comparing yours to?
 
I tried many brands, like jsb slugs, zan, h&n also the cheaper new norica ones, i have a maverick on 700mm with the haevy slug liner, to BE honest i think mine gave me better results, its about having really good quality slug way cheaper and being able to reeuse they again, thats what i would like for my self and what others would like too
@FabioG That is a great report!! Can you tell us more? What type of lead do you use to swage in your dies? What sort of press(es) can your die be used with? How many slugs can be produced at a time? How long does it take to produce one slug? How many can you produce in 30 minutes?
 
@FabioG That is a great report!! Can you tell us more? What type of lead do you use to swage in your dies? What sort of press(es) can your die be used with? How many slugs can be produced at a time? How long does it take to produce one slug? How many can you produce in 30 minutes?
No problem, i use a match grade Wire specially made for slugs sold by huben airguns, you can use a normal vise like i do or any handpress, it does One at a time and it takes you arround 30 sec. to make One só arround 60 on 30 min. You can hit it with a hammer, but i dont recomend you do that with any slug press because the pressing amount Will not BE the same each time so the slugs Will not be as consistent
 
No problem, i use a match grade Wire specially made for slugs sold by huben airguns, you can use a normal vise like i do or any handpress, it does One at a time and it takes you arround 30 sec. to make One só arround 60 on 30 min. You can hit it with a hammer, but i dont recomend you do that with any slug press because the pressing amount Will not BE the same each time so the slugs Will not be as consistent
@FabioG I see. That sounds economical. Do you make the dies yourself?
 
I made the blue prints and made by me, the die are made on a certified CNC company, that does them with a 0.005 tollerance to my order, so i can ensure the quality production
@FabioG That’s awesome!! Can you post a photo of your swaging setup so that we can see what it looks like to have a better idea of what you’re describing?
 
@FabioG That’s awesome!! Can you post a photo of your swaging setup so that we can see what it looks like to have a better idea of what you’re describing?
Yup no problem, please have in mind that this is ONLY a prototype, the final press have a few ajusts but Will be the same, this was made on C30 steel, plus 500 slugs and still the exact outcome without any tempering or hardning
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@FabioG Thank you very much for sharing this information. I’m sure others will have more questions for you. There is one other thing I was wondering. How does the excess lead escape the die? Is there a bleed hole in the die or must the operator cut the sprue (excess lead) manually?
It pours on the skirt of the slugs, since the tollerance is tight you can remove the excess with your nail, sorry for the poor quality, print from videos
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