HW/Weihrauch Humbled and Time to eat a little crow.

First humbling issue is using an artillery hold near the center of gravity. I've tried it on multiple guns with really no better results than my typical forward artillery hold. Therefore I've pretty much ignored the common CG recommendation. Wrestling with my 22 Weihrauchs at 50 yards has caused me to revisit the CG artillery hold. Target 1 is 10 shots with my normal forward artillery hold. Switching to CG on 2-6 showed immediate and marked improvement. To be sure I went back to my normal forward hold on #7. After confirming it doesn't I went back to CG on 8 &9. Only 8 is good. Somehow 9 was terrible. In fact one shot fell all the way down on the 12th target. After that I decided to try a different pellet

Just receiving a fresh tin of JSB 15.89s, I tried them with low expectations and my usual forward AH. Low an behold. All three targets immediately produced acceptable (to me) results for 50 yards. Throughout the years I've tested JSBs of this and lighter sizes in several Weihrauch 22s and never had great accuracy with them under 25 yards. In fact most of the time it was terrible. I was never sure if it was the pellet design or the perpetually bent thin skirts. They also don't make the power other stiffer skirted pellets do in Weihrauchs. So between low power, poor accuracy and lots of bent skirts I wrote them off.

Under 30 yards I've always had good accuracy and high energy numbers from FTTs. Since FTTs come in various head sizes that do make a difference in these rifles I've always touted them as the best pellet for 22 Weihrauchs. I'll have to eat a little crow on that now. These 15.89s are clearly more consistent and accurate than the FTTs at 50 yards. The JSBs still make less power (in this case 0.6 FPE) as I've experienced before, but at least I can stop pulling out my hair and hit the damn target at 50 yds. Just goes to show you're never too old to learn.

Be well all.
Ron

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First humbling issue is using an artillery hold near the center of gravity. I've tried it on multiple guns with really no better results than my typical forward artillery hold. Therefore I've pretty much ignored the common CG recommendation. Wrestling with my 22 Weihrauchs at 50 yards has caused me to revisit the CG artillery hold. Target 1 is 10 shots with my normal forward artillery hold. Switching to CG on 2-6 showed immediate and marked improvement. To be sure I went back to my normal forward hold on #7. After confirming it doesn't I went back to CG on 8 &9. Only 8 is good. Somehow 9 was terrible. In fact one shot fell all the way down on the 12th target. After that I decided to try a different pellet

Just receiving a fresh tin of JSB 15.89s, I tried them with low expectations and my usual forward AH. Low an behold. All three targets immediately produced acceptable (to me) results for 50 yards. Throughout the years I've tested JSBs of this and lighter sizes in several Weihrauch 22s and never had great accuracy with them under 25 yards. In fact most of the time it was terrible. I was never sure if it was the pellet design or the perpetually bent thin skirts. They also don't make the power other stiffer skirted pellets do in Weihrauchs. So between low power, poor accuracy and lots of bent skirts I wrote them off.

Under 30 yards I've always had good accuracy and high energy numbers from FTTs. Since FTTs come in various head sizes that do make a difference in these rifles I've always touted them as the best pellet for 22 Weihrauchs. I'll have to eat a little crow on that now. These 15.89s are clearly more consistent and accurate than the FTTs at 50 yards. The JSBs still make less power (in this case 0.6 FPE) as I've experienced before, but at least I can stop pulling out my hair and hit the damn target at 50 yds. Just goes to show you're never too old to learn.

Be well all.
Ron

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assuming these are 1 inch dots ? good shooting
 
I decided to try the 15.89s at 50 with my R1 to see if it cured it's 50 yd woes. Sure enough even with rain and some wind it clover leafed the first 4 shots and the fifth only had a quarter inch of paper between it an the others. That's with no special attention. Wow!

Then I took out the 95 again and a tin of 14.35 JSBs I use for testing. It wasnt pretty. It was what i remembered. I chronographed ten shots
JSB 14.35 - Avg 616, ES 44, SD 15 for 12.09 fpe
No wonder it was so terrible.

I chronographed ten shots of the other's for comparison.
JSB 15.89 -Avg 630, ES 10, SD 3 for 14.0 fpe
FTT 14.66 - Avg 673, ES 8, SD 2 for 14.74 fpe.

I don't like the energy penalty but accuracy edge at 50 yards is undeniable. Now to find my best deal on more 15.89s.
 
I have had good luck with both H&N 14.66 and JSBs (13,14,15) in my 95 and 97. The H&N a little better at 25. The JSB better at 50. Farther out the JSB is better. But shoots a bigger arc.

Either one will do .30 at 25 and .75 at 50. But I can't do that with every group. I've accepted the problem is me when the groups open up.

You have posted good honest results many times and my targets look much the same through the good and bad days. Sometimes it's peanuts. Sometimes just shells.

I've had better luck with a tripod resting just behind the cg than bags. I've given up on trying to rest solid on a table. My very best, most precise shooting has always been off a tripod that does not seem as solid as a bench/bags. It's counterintuitive but that's what my experience has shown.

The biggest factor is me. If I try to "shoot groups" it's good and bad. If I set up plinking targets and get in the groove first and then shift to paper my patterns are always awesome. Warming up and getting some shots under my belt makes more difference in pattern size than any other variable I've tried. It's the nut behind the trigger getting loose that causes my patterns to change from target to target.
 
I decided to try the 15.89s at 50 with my R1 to see if it cured it's 50 yd woes. Sure enough even with rain and some wind it clover leafed the first 4 shots and the fifth only had a quarter inch of paper between it an the others. That's with no special attention. Wow!

Then I took out the 95 again and a tin of 14.35 JSBs I use for testing. It wasnt pretty. It was what i remembered. I chronographed ten shots
JSB 14.35 - Avg 616, ES 44, SD 15 for 12.09 fpe
No wonder it was so terrible.

I chronographed ten shots of the other's for comparison.
JSB 15.89 -Avg 630, ES 10, SD 3 for 14.0 fpe
FTT 14.66 - Avg 673, ES 8, SD 2 for 14.74 fpe.

I don't like the energy penalty but accuracy edge at 50 yards is undeniable. Now to find my best deal on more 15.89s.
Good deal Ron! I may try a tin of the 15.89's in my 95. Any idea what the head size of those are? I'm assuming there are not different head sizes to choose from.
 
First humbling issue is using an artillery hold near the center of gravity. I've tried it on multiple guns with really no better results than my typical forward artillery hold. Therefore I've pretty much ignored the common CG recommendation. Wrestling with my 22 Weihrauchs at 50 yards has caused me to revisit the CG artillery hold. Target 1 is 10 shots with my normal forward artillery hold. Switching to CG on 2-6 showed immediate and marked improvement. To be sure I went back to my normal forward hold on #7. After confirming it doesn't I went back to CG on 8 &9. Only 8 is good. Somehow 9 was terrible. In fact one shot fell all the way down on the 12th target. After that I decided to try a different pellet

Just receiving a fresh tin of JSB 15.89s, I tried them with low expectations and my usual forward AH. Low an behold. All three targets immediately produced acceptable (to me) results for 50 yards. Throughout the years I've tested JSBs of this and lighter sizes in several Weihrauch 22s and never had great accuracy with them under 25 yards. In fact most of the time it was terrible. I was never sure if it was the pellet design or the perpetually bent thin skirts. They also don't make the power other stiffer skirted pellets do in Weihrauchs. So between low power, poor accuracy and lots of bent skirts I wrote them off.

Under 30 yards I've always had good accuracy and high energy numbers from FTTs. Since FTTs come in various head sizes that do make a difference in these rifles I've always touted them as the best pellet for 22 Weihrauchs. I'll have to eat a little crow on that now. These 15.89s are clearly more consistent and accurate than the FTTs at 50 yards. The JSBs still make less power (in this case 0.6 FPE) as I've experienced before, but at least I can stop pulling out my hair and hit the damn target at 50 yds. Just goes to show you're never too old to learn.

Be well all.
Ron

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Really enjoy your posts! Charles
 
I was just curious as mine likes the FTT 14.66 5.53 or 5.54. May not really be a comparison, need to try them.
I'm not sure both companies measure the same way. The JSBs definitely fit looser, their lead lead feels softer and the skirts are definitely thinner. None of that matters if they shoot better.

Better is kinda debatable because at 25 yards the FTTs shoot as good or better than the JSBs. For some reason JSBs do much better at 50. Go figure.
 
I'm not sure both companies measure the same way. The JSBs definitely fit looser, their lead lead feels softer and the skirts are definitely thinner. None of that matters if they shoot better.

Better is kinda debatable because at 25 yards the FTTs shoot as good or better than the JSBs. For some reason JSBs do much better at 50. Go figure.

The JSB are supposed to be 5.52 (i think). They do fit looser (in general) than the other pellets I've tried.

Lots of bent skirts. It's aggravating. They get a premium for those pills.

The JSB's are longer. I think that's the deal with being more stable at range.

The H&N's start spreading out about 50-55 for me. The JSB hang close together out to 65. I think they handle wind a little more predictably too.

I find this is true in all of my springers. At least that is my impression after many thousands of pellets shot in a very unscientific manner.

Crosmans aren't bad if you ignore the flyers. Hand sorted they would probably shoot as good as any of them. I can shoot great patterns with Crosmans in all my guns. You just have to shoot ten and ignore 2-3. You can (almost) tell when you load them if they are going to fly. I'm sure sizing and weighing them you could get them to shoot as good as any out to 45-50 yds.
 
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