FX Hybrid slugs quality

There are. H&N baracuda hunters expand just as well as HP 2 slugs. They are usually decently accurate 1.25moa type accuracy at 80. But the expansion is matched. I get incredible results from Hades at low and high speeds.

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Edit: while responding to this post a very large male grey squirrel I've been waiting to get over his jitters.. come out and presented me a fantastic quartering toward shot at just shy of 90y the Griffin glimmered in the sun light just before I heard that deep Thhhhhwock! we live for. Pics to come
My thing with these expansion results is that this is only when shot into water. Which really only shows part of their potential. For example, the first image is a 21gr .217 Javelins slug shot at 960fps shot into an iguana at around 50-60yds. You can tell that the HP definitely did it's job! But it doesn't expand perfect like a pancake.

The next 3 images are of 1 .22 cal 25.39gr Hades Monster pellets shot around 915-930fps at an iguana 57yds away. You can tell although it expanded it definitely did not flare up like yours did.

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My thing with these expansion results is that this is only when shot into water. Which really only shows part of their potential. For example, the first image is a 21gr .217 Javelins slug shot at 960fps shot into an iguana at around 50-60yds. You can tell that the HP definitely did it's job! But it doesn't expand perfect like a pancake.

The next 3 images are of 1 .22 cal 25.39gr Hades Monster pellets shot around 915-930fps at an iguana 57yds away. You can tell although it expanded it definitely did not flare up like yours did.

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That massive mushroom pic was a hn hunter extreme. The Hades was the lightweight 25. The 22s did great for me at 850. Maybe the monsters are harder. I don't know. That 10mm expansion was shot into my rendition of Paul Harrell's (praise be upon him) meat target™️. I use a leather razor strop a thick layer of tallow either a bone in chicken breast or Cornish game hen, the innards packed with tallow and gizzard or soft butter. Same results from 10% ballistics.


Off the subject of pellets.. check out what this LDC did to this squirrel. Btw I ported the notos to 4.5 and worked it a bit wider with a burr. I added a little weight to the hammer and I'm shooting the griffins at 840 now @ 2400psi. Full hammer spring. And this is the effect the LDC is having at 88.5y.
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That massive mushroom pic was a hn hunter extreme. The Hades was the lightweight 25. The 22s did great for me at 850. Maybe the monsters are harder. I don't know. That 10mm expansion was shot into my rendition of Paul Harrell's (praise be upon him) meat target™️. I use a leather razor strop a thick layer of tallow either a bone in chicken breast or Cornish game hen, the innards packed with tallow and gizzard or soft butter. Same results from 10% ballistics.


Off the subject of pellets.. check out what this LDC did to this squirrel. Btw I ported the notos to 4.5 and worked it a bit wider with a burr. I added a little weight to the hammer and I'm shooting the griffins at 840 now @ 2400psi. Full hammer spring. And this is the effect the LDC is having at 88.5y. View attachment 507748View attachment 507749View attachment 507750View attachment 507751
That's interesting maybe you missed hitting the bone? I know I broke several bones in the iguana, hit the scapula, along with several ribs which explains the deformity.
 
That's interesting maybe you missed hitting the bone? I know I broke several bones in the iguana, hit the scapula, along with several ribs which explains the deformity
While hunting, when shooting projectiles reliant on expansion to give the most humane death.. I shoot for eyes, or dead on between the eyes to burst the skull, or purposely shoot vitals through the meatiest path possible to get that effect. but, headshots that did pass through skull always expand fine. You're hitting shoulder, ribs then vitals flank on. It's gonna happen. Bones become fragments too. Ive never shot a reptile. I just picture a scaly squirrel. Lizard skin is definitely tougher than flesh without the keratinous cover like rodents. Try on quartering away shots to come in just behind the back rip through diaphragm, into heart and lung. Or under neck through the thoracic cavity over the first rib.
 
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While hunting, when shooting projectiles reliant on expansion to give the most humane death.. I shoot for eyes, or dead on between the eyes to burst the skull, or purposely shoot vitals through the meatiest path possible to get that effect. but, headshots that did pass through skull always expand fine. You're hitting shoulder, ribs then vitals flank on. It's gonna happen. Bones become fragments too. Ive never shot a reptile. I just picture a scaly squirrel. Lizard skin is definitely tougher than flesh without the keratinous cover like rodents. Try on quartering away shots to come in just behind the back rip through diaphragm, into heart and lung. Or under neck through the thoracic cavity over the first rib.
Well typically I go for headshot and try to steer clear from vitals as unless I am shooting .30 cal a vital shot wont be good unless I can align it with a spine shot. These guys are very resiliant, but I have seen in more and more posts that the fur on a squirrels skin aids in retaining the slug or hunting pellets, and preventing them from exiting most time.
 
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Well typically I go for headshot and try to steer clear from vitals as unless I am shooting .30 cal a vital shot wont be good unless I can align it with a spine shot. These guys are very resiliant, but I have seen in more and more posts that the fur on a squirrels skin aids in retaining the slug or hunting pellets, and preventing them from exiting most time.

Its true. At 750fps from the Notos, shooting a squirrel at 15 yard aiming at lungs right behind shoulder to punch through the ribcage, I would often recover Hades and Atomic at the opposite end under the hide, could dig them out easily and they had very little expansion and almost seems like i could reuse the pellet again. lol I haven't gotten a single pass tru from the stock Notos, which is great!

Whenever it was a full frontal hit to the forehead when they are facing toward me, its almost guarantee to not have any pass thru, the pellet or slug would travel through skull, neck, lungs, and toward the guts, that position has the longest "meat path" and inflict the most internal damage, its getting 100% energy dump like this guy, instant light out and didn't take one step, it just dropped like a stone at the same spot. Maybe a .30 domed pellet at 1000fps could potentially punch right through. Lol

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Iguana bones are more like chicken bones, idk if chickens have harder/stronger bones that your average bird. The ribs are flexible on an iguana though.

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I'm bringing some Hades tomorrow morning. If I get a chance I'm gonna take a squirrel for it. I'm pesting at a friend's home, they have a small
Vineyard, and some donkeys,alpacas and Godforsaken ponies. The birds only get thick within an hour of feeding schedules so between 7am and 9am I'll have two hours to f around. I'll try to bag a squirrel with both caliber Hades and see what happens. I have gotten better results with .22 Hades. .25 seems to be a harder alloy
 
I'm bringing some Hades tomorrow morning. If I get a chance I'm gonna take a squirrel for it. I'm pesting at a friend's home, they have a small
Vineyard, and some donkeys,alpacas and Godforsaken ponies. The birds only get thick within an hour of feeding schedules so between 7am and 9am I'll have two hours to f around. I'll try to bag a squirrel with both caliber Hades and see what happens. I have gotten better results with .22 Hades. .25 seems to be a harder alloy

Within 30 yard, .22 Hades at 900fps is likely to get pass thru if you hit them at the side of the ribcage when you aim for lung shot, but a full frontal shot to the forehead, the Hades typically get lodged inside the gut with zero pass thru even at 10~15yard, curious to see if you would experience similar result or could get better expansion from it.
 
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I'm bringing some Hades tomorrow morning. If I get a chance I'm gonna take a squirrel for it. I'm pesting at a friend's home, they have a small
Vineyard, and some donkeys,alpacas and Godforsaken ponies. The birds only get thick within an hour of feeding schedules so between 7am and 9am I'll have two hours to f around. I'll try to bag a squirrel with both caliber Hades and see what happens. I have gotten better results with .22 Hades. .25 seems to be a harder alloy
Best of luck!
 
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Within 30 yard, .22 Hades at 900fps is likely to get pass thru if you hit them at the side of the ripcage when you aim for lung shot, but a full frontal shot to the forehead, the Hades typically get lodge inside the gut with zero pass thru even at 10~15yard, curious to see if you would experience the similar result.
I've experienced really good expansion. Squirrels are 5050 on pass throughs.
Best of luck!
The birds were thick all morning. I haven't seen a rodent yet. Actually it just started raining. I'm at 43 winged rats since 8am
 
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Hey brother... I aside from having trash accuracy with them, got sick of pulling patches and seeing lead flakes everywhere.. they're filthy, the flashing is excessive, I flat out do not like them, however I shoot .25 and hear .22 is slightly better. Griffin sells 200 packs of cup base hollow points slugs that match the design of hybrids. Much better results.

Impulse air makes a .22 .217 22grain slug IDENTICAL to hybrids. Cleaner, 200ct, in a bag.

https://utahairguns.com/product/impulse-air-hbt-slugs-22-caliber-217-22gr-200-count/

Good luck. I can't recommend trying Griffin LDC and the Hollow base HP slugs enough. Griffin airgun ammo slugs are fantastic
RMR Bullets are cleaner, cheaper, exactly the same and shoot just as well. I have my Dynamic tuned for these at 900 fps and very happy so far
 
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RMR Bullets are cleaner, cheaper, exactly the same and shoot just as well. I have my Dynamic tuned for these at 900 fps and very happy so far
I've installed the 1:16 slug liner.. hybrids don't like it. I'm doing point of aim point of impact every shot on Zan's and h&n 30gr. I'm sticking with them
 
I've installed the 1:16 slug liner.. hybrids don't like it. I'm doing point of aim point of impact every shot on Zan's and h&n 30gr. I'm sticking with them
have you found the 1:16 shoot those slugs a lot more accurate and consistent than the 1:24 Superior liner? what kind of improvement have you gained? like going from 1.5" at 100 yard down to 0.5"?
 
For experiment purpose, I turned down the power wheel on my M4 to try slinging the 38gr NSA at 525fps (23ft-lb) just to see what kind of damage it can do to tree rats at 15 yard, the result is terrible, akin to throwing a brick at the rat, it had a concussion and didn't go down quickly, was crawling in circle, had to do a follow up shot to finish him off....hate to see animals suffer. 😔 Not something i would repeat, these 38gr NSA slugs are going to need at least 750fps for clean kill.

2nd rat showed up soon after, switched over to 20gr NSA slug and dial up the power to 860fps, dropped it on the spot instantly.
 
have you found the 1:16 shoot those slugs a lot more accurate and consistent than the 1:24 Superior liner? what kind of improvement have you gained? like going from 1.5" at 100 yards.

At 100 with the superior it was pointless. The lighter slugs that were actually 250 shot like crap. If I shot 1.5 or better at 100 with hybrids it was luck. Fast or slow. My barrel did not like them. 25.3/4-30gr pellets shot like God himself guided them into the same hole. 30gr h&n slug shot just as well through the superior as did the 26gr hybrids.

I am pellet accurate with several slugs using the new slug liner. Yesterday I discovered that Teds video results with SLUG-A (same twist speed as this barrel in .25) and Hades were no fluke. Same point of impact Windage wise, and since I'm launching the 30s at 890 now, the Hades were flying about 920 and just not varying from point of aim being point of impact. It was beautiful. The H&N HP 30gr, 32gr, zan 30 and 33, Griffin Hollow tail hollow point 30 just ride the damn stadia and land exactly where the ballistics app say they should at the chronod speed.

I cleaned barrel and got some vk 34 gr, some HP 2 30gr .250, NSA33.5, JaV 32, and shot 2 hybrids on paper
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after leading the barrel into the dirt. I gave up. Bottom left target. Top (edit) LEFT dot.. 2 hybrids. NOPE. skip, HN HP 30 skip, zan 30, skip NSA, Javelin, 2nd row, HP II 30, 3rd row VK34, HP32
 
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