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Events Ultimate Field Target match at Phoenix Rod and Gun Club on 11/23/24

Big news for UFT @ PRGC!

This month will be the first of Ben's new format.

He has been working hard and added a third target to each lane, and restructured to allow a broader range of airguns to be competitive.

It seems more complicated than it really is but I'll take a stab at making it clear....

Three targets, near, middle and far.
If you're under 20 foot pounds (think AAFTA) you can shoot the near and middle targets for some good practice.
If you're under 50 foot pounds you can shoot all three, for what Ben's calling "the full Monty," resulting in a 72 shot match. That's lots of shooting!
If you're 50-100 foot pounds, you can shoot the middle and far targets for a "long range/high power match."

No allowance for greater than 50fpe will be allowed for the full Monty. IE zero tolerance policy for fpe greater than 50fpe. This is for protecting the new/nearest targets.

So, rimfire and high powered slugs can still come shoot a 48 shot high power match. AAFTA guys can come practice. Guys with hunting rigs in that sweet spot of .22 and 30-35fpe can come shoot without needing a very expensive scope and all the paraphernalia that comes with AAFTA field target classes. Essentially, if you've got an airgun, come shoot a match, simple as that.

We're not sure how the chips are gonna fall with participation in each class but it'll be fun to find out. Also, we'll continue keeping the slug and pellet classes. As an example, you pellet shooters don't have to shoot against @steve123 and his 49fpe Altaros slugs that did so well last month.

Here's the kill zone sizes and distances and Troyer factors. Don't look if you're an AAfTA guy. 😁.
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Yep, there's some dang tough targets in that mix, but also some relatively easy ones. Those AAFTA illegal Troyers sound pretty "Ultimate" to me. And yes, that opens up a bunch of strategizing for the full monty....do you stick with small calibers to squeak em in the tiny kzs? Or do you go with a bigger caliber with a better BC for better hit rates on the long range shots? Choices choices.

In the past I've shot my best scores when using my personal rangefinder during the match. So if you figure your dope with a specific rangefinder I'd suggest bringing that to use during the match.

As always, sign up via Practiscore, linked here on the PRGC calendar, as well as some more of the particulars for the match.

We apologize for such short notice on the match announcement. Ben wasn't sure if he was going to get that third target in for this month so we were holding out on the announcement. He does much of the work himself and he's just one guy.
 
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Looks like Barb and I will be going….

Tony P
Should be a fun match. This begs the question....what are you two gonna shoot?

I've been mentally going through my options for the new UFT format and of course want to shoot the 72 shot match if I'm driving that far to attend....but my "best" long range pellet flinger is just shy of 2 foot pounds over the limit. So the Vet Long with .22 MRDs @ 955-960 is out.....which leaves maybe the Ghost with .20/15.89 pellets, or of course the .20/18.9 slugs. Also considering swapping barrels to the .22 and getting a Ghost tune for MRDs just shy of 50fpe....it would also be fun to shoot a 20 fpe gun at the full Monty, even though some shots are out to 100. And the 20fpe thought opens up a lot of options for me.....as I stated in the announcement....choices choices.

Edit: just got to thinking if the .25/34gr combo is an option and looks like they'd need to be going 810fps to stay under 50fpe. Not sure how they'd shoot that low in speed but can't imagine it's their best. Plus, squeezing a .25 through a 3/8" kill zone doesn't leave much margin for error. The strategizing is fun.
 
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Should be a fun match. This begs the question....what are you two gonna shoot?

I've been mentally going through my options for the new UFT format and of course want to shoot the 72 shot match if I'm driving that far to attend....but my "best" long range pellet flinger is just shy of 2 foot pounds over the limit. So the Vet Long with .22 MRDs @ 955-960 is out.....which leaves maybe the Ghost with .20/15.89 pellets, or of course the .20/18.9 slugs. Also considering swapping barrels to the .22 and getting a Ghost tune for MRDs just shy of 50fpe....it would also be fun to shoot a 20 fpe gun at the full Monty, even though some shots are out to 100. And the 20fpe thought opens up a lot of options for me.....as I stated in the announcement....choices choices.

Edit: just got to thinking if the .25/34gr combo is an option and looks like they'd need to be going 810fps to stay under 50fpe. Not sure how they'd shoot that low in speed but can't imagine it's their best. Plus, squeezing a .25 through a 3/8" kill zone doesn't leave much margin for error. The strategizing is fun.
Tomorrow I will see if I have the Vulcan ready with slugs, and Barb will be either shooting a 25 ghost or a 22 ghost

Tony P.
 
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Should be a fun match. This begs the question....what are you two gonna shoot?

I've been mentally going through my options for the new UFT format and of course want to shoot the 72 shot match if I'm driving that far to attend....but my "best" long range pellet flinger is just shy of 2 foot pounds over the limit. So the Vet Long with .22 MRDs @ 955-960 is out.....which leaves maybe the Ghost with .20/15.89 pellets, or of course the .20/18.9 slugs. Also considering swapping barrels to the .22 and getting a Ghost tune for MRDs just shy of 50fpe....it would also be fun to shoot a 20 fpe gun at the full Monty, even though some shots are out to 100. And the 20fpe thought opens up a lot of options for me.....as I stated in the announcement....choices choices.

Edit: just got to thinking if the .25/34gr combo is an option and looks like they'd need to be going 810fps to stay under 50fpe. Not sure how they'd shoot that low in speed but can't imagine it's their best. Plus, squeezing a .25 through a 3/8" kill zone doesn't leave much margin for error. The strategizing is fun.
It's a fascinating exercise to think about optimizing these distances! I was doing the same analysis you're doing Cole. For the Full Monty, the 22 MRDs are over until you slow them way down, and they're big for those tiny up-close kill zones. I wonder if the sweet spot for the distances would be the .22 using the 18.1s, or the .177 pushing the 16's, or even the 13.4s running fast. Gets interesting taking the .177 pellets past 75-80 yards in the wind. :) Bummed I'm out this weekend, but, looking forward to seeing what people shoot.
 
It's a fascinating exercise to think about optimizing these distances! I was doing the same analysis you're doing Cole. For the Full Monty, the 22 MRDs are over until you slow them way down, and they're big for those tiny up-close kill zones. I wonder if the sweet spot for the distances would be the .22 using the 18.1s, or the .177 pushing the 16's, or even the 13.4s running fast. Gets interesting taking the .177 pellets past 75-80 yards in the wind. :) Bummed I'm out this weekend, but, looking forward to seeing what people shoot.

My scheming was more for generally/future matches as I have prior commitments for this weekend too.

On further ponderings...i remembered that the previous barrel on my Vet Long was a different rifling profile and does pretty well with the .22 Monster RDs @ 890, which would make it just under 45fpe, and legal for Full Monty @ UFT. I used that combo for the 2022 EBR American FT and placed right around you that year, maybe I was 3rd? So, the .22 MRDs can be acceptable at slower speeds from different rifling profiles, but they sure don't shine as bright there as they do at higher speeds from slow twist poly barrels.

In fact, the .22 MRDs @ 890 are maybe only slightly better than the .20/15.89s @ 915-920. And with the greater incidence of flyers from the MRDs in that speed zone, I think the scales tip to the .20/15.89 being the most probable choice for me if I'm in the pellet class for Full Monty @ UFT.

Super interested to see how it all shakes out.
 
Just remembered about these little gems too...


Another possible shining star in the 50fpe hard cap.
 
Really disappointed I wasn’t able to get out to range to help Ben set up or attend this new format match tomorrow, sounds like a blast - got some family priorities that came up that are requiring most of my attention. But that has not deterred me from thinking about a couple of options for my .22 Red Wolf HP to get it under 50 fpe to shoot the entire course next time. I currently use the RW for UFT shooting the 25.4 Mrds at 52 fpe at appx 970 fps on the med power setting. I do not have a gcu2 programmer for it so I will need to use the existing low-med-high program.

So my first option is just shooting the MRds at low power which will bring it to about 40 fpe and 845 fps. Other than a short string chrono check I have not done any shooting at low power with the Mrds so will need to see how they do at 845. See Franklink in the post above saying they do ok at 890 in one of his guns.

The other option I was considering was maybe to get a couple tins of JTS 22.07gr pellets and see if they would do 0k at medium or low power. A couple of members here have posted that they have done well at 100 yards slinging around 1000 fps in their RAWS. That would put them right about 49 fpe. I am thinking they might be right at that 1000 fps at med power on the wolf.

Anyone have other ammo/RW power suggestions?
 
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Since my RAW .22 took a dump yesterday which was my go to shooting the .22 gr JTS, I’ll be shooting my Crown .22/25MRD at 44.2 ft lb for the full Monty!
That too bad on your RAW, you know you just have too many guns to keep them all running😂. What velocity were you shooting the JTS 22 grains at on your RAW and how did they do at 75-100yds? Got a couple of the JTS 22 grains tins leftover from the store you wanna sell?😬. Scott