Other Death of the springer
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I've never seen such a thing. Is this trickery? Foolishness? A magic trick?
Please start telling me what that thing is and why it has a hole there.
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Yes it's a dead one. Which proves my point!
Springers aren't dead! It's the Gas Rams that are dead. Lol
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I've never seen or shot an adjustable ram. Only heard of them. I figured you decided to make a bolt action out of it and lost interest. Now I understand what's going on!
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I live at 9,000' ASL. I'm taking ~24% hit on published FPS for our ProSport.
Published numbers for an HW95N on AOA says 700 FPS for .22 cal.
So, adjusting for your 4,000' ASL, if I ran the numbers right, you should be getting ~606.7 FPS out of your 95. Based on practical experience. Not scientific or mathematical whatever.
So, yes, you're results are a little low; but not terribly low.
And yes, our ProSport dropped significant FPS after we used it a while, too.
This is not really what this thread was intended to talk about, but I hope it helps.
And I'm with you on most of what you've said. If I had known about Cometa's, and had they been available in early October 2023 when I went shopping for something to replace our zitrone HW97K, I think I would have bought a Cometa, and I don't think I would have been terribly disappointed in it for a fraction of the cost of the ProSport. I like nice things, but $1K for an air rifle that you have to finish the stock yourself is a bit insane, in my opinion. We *needed* something, though, and I wasn't about to buy another HW.
Anyway, cheers...
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The loss of velocity problem with factory HW springs is something that I have read about here before. A few years ago, there were also a lot of reports about this happening with Vortek kits. Those anecdotes are less frequent today, but for a while many reported this problem. My hw97k and one R7 both lost about 2fpe and 1fpe respectively within a thousand shots after installing a new Vortek kit (with seal). Some speculated that this was the result of both HW and Vortek seeking to maximize power in their choice of spring diameter and length. The overly stressing springs start strong, but sag a bit or even break after a thousand shots or so. ARH spring design seems to optimize shot cycle quality over power, and in my experience they have had far better longevity. Still requires that you spend $$$ to mod a basically new gun. But when I calculate cost per hour of enjoyment, even expensive spring guns are far ahead of other options.
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I have an airgun channel on YouTube devoted to springers, or should I say, piston powered airguns. I believe that my channel analytics can help to explain the drop in production of fine spring powered guns. When looking at the age groups who subscribe to my channel it looks like this:
18 - 24 years old 4.5%
25 - 34 years old 10.2%
35 - 44 years old 16.0%
45 - 54 years old 16.9%
55 - 64 years old 26.3%
65 - and older 26.1%
So, as you can see, we ole' timers are what's keepin' the springers alive. When we're gone, I'm afraid that the piston guns will all but die with us.
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18 - 24 years old 4.5%
25 - 34 years old 10.2%
35 - 44 years old 16.0%
45 - 54 years old 16.9%
55 - 64 years old 26.3%
65 - and older 26.1%
So, as you can see, we ole' timers are what's keepin' the springers alive. When we're gone, I'm afraid that the piston guns will all but die with us.
Pellets And Pistons Airgun Channel
Pellets and Pistons Airgun Channel is an unbiased reviewer of airguns and related products. The main focus will be on spring piston powered airguns however we'll feature other powerplants from time to time. I am not sponsored by anyone and because of this I have the freedom to be fair and...
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I woke up this morning with the thought that I did the math wrong last night. I calculated you should be taking a 13.333% hit in velocity. That should be 10.67%, for 625.31 FPS if you are to be getting results similar to mine.
Please forgive me. I haven't been feeling so great lately.
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Yeah. We old folks remember a simpler time, and miss it. Kids these days have never experienced that. All they know is the craziness we all live in today.I have an airgun channel on YouTube devoted to springers, or should I say, piston powered airguns. I believe that my channel analytics can help to explain the drop in production of fine spring powered guns. When looking at the age groups who subscribe to my channel it looks like this:
18 - 24 years old 4.5%
25 - 34 years old 10.2%
35 - 44 years old 16.0%
45 - 54 years old 16.9%
55 - 64 years old 26.3%
65 - and older 26.1%
So, as you can see, we ole' timers are what's keepin' the springers alive. When we're gone, I'm afraid that the piston guns will all but die with us.
Pellets And Pistons Airgun Channel
Pellets and Pistons Airgun Channel is an unbiased reviewer of airguns and related products. The main focus will be on spring piston powered airguns however we'll feature other powerplants from time to time. I am not sponsored by anyone and because of this I have the freedom to be fair and...
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PCPs are definitely winning a big part of the airgun market at the expense of springers though.
I think the alternative explanation is that airguns are somewhat of an old man’s hobby and that as many younger shooters age they will become more interested in airguns.I have an airgun channel on YouTube devoted to springers, or should I say, piston powered airguns. I believe that my channel analytics can help to explain the drop in production of fine spring powered guns. When looking at the age groups who subscribe to my channel it looks like this:
18 - 24 years old 4.5%
25 - 34 years old 10.2%
35 - 44 years old 16.0%
45 - 54 years old 16.9%
55 - 64 years old 26.3%
65 - and older 26.1%
So, as you can see, we ole' timers are what's keepin' the springers alive. When we're gone, I'm afraid that the piston guns will all but die with us.
Pellets And Pistons Airgun Channel
Pellets and Pistons Airgun Channel is an unbiased reviewer of airguns and related products. The main focus will be on spring piston powered airguns however we'll feature other powerplants from time to time. I am not sponsored by anyone and because of this I have the freedom to be fair and...
PCPs are definitely winning a big part of the airgun market at the expense of springers though.
JM springs are very good about maintaining consistent velocity, without taking a sag after several thousand shots.The loss of velocity problem with factory HW springs is something that I have read about here before. A few years ago, there were also a lot of reports about this happening with Vortek kits. Those anecdotes are less frequent today, but for a while many reported this problem. My hw97k and one R7 both lost about 2fpe and 1fpe respectively within a thousand shots after installing a new Vortek kit (with seal). Some speculated that this was the result of both HW and Vortek seeking to maximize power in their choice of spring diameter and length. The overly stressing springs start strong, but sag a bit or even break after a thousand shots or so. ARH spring design seems to optimize shot cycle quality over power, and in my experience they have had far better longevity. Still requires that you spend $$$ to mod a basically new gun. But when I calculate cost per hour of enjoyment, even expensive spring guns are far ahead of other options.
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My springers are alive as I am. And as long as I am, so will they. The only thing that will be dead is us, but the springer will live on as a classic air rifle that just works, period.
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Springers may continue to take up less and less market share. But they will never die. There will always be a need for them.
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My grandson after shooting all of my guns, picked the Beeman Webly Vulcan as his favorite. That was prior to the Weihrauch's or FX's, but included a Gauntlet2 and Beeman Cheif2, Benjamin, Sheridan's, and a Hatsan 95 QE.
Before he actually spent time with all of them his favorite was the Gauntlet2, hands down, but it was the Vulcan in the end.
If you seniors want them to see them shoot a springer, get one in their hands.
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I see signs of springer life in Portugal. If you peek at FB and look at BMS precision you can see a talented engineer making a modern spring gun. Oh, to have such skills. He came to Arizona and shot one of his guns there. Bruno Silva.
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