I have an Athlon Heras 6-24x50 ffp and was ranging it last weekend. It was difficult to tell the difference for the close ranges, which surprised me, since the 4-20x50 ranged great up close. Maybe it was due to the 20 degree weather?
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yep too cold.... i had trouble ranging from my warm inside to the cold outside... eventually gave up.
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yes sir.... everyone of those boxes is empty... as in the scope is on an airgun or powder burner.
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i would think at 20 degrees you may run into the same thing... even my pricey scopes didn't like ranging in the cold. dunno?
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Good stuff here, interesting topic.
I would consider your hold off as well as hold over when selecting a reticle.
I went with the MIL reticle over the MOA reticle on my S3 Sightron, the MIL reticle has more horizontal cross hatches so its better for wind holds... The Sightron was to replace a Nikko that had very few horizontal marks before they turned into solid bars.
But that is coming from a 50x Open shooter, at 16x (or 12x) the width of the reticle is not as critical. And with hold over and hold off something more like a tree (PRS/NRL Hunter) reticle may be better than just the two axis of hatch marks. Lots of new stuff around these days, I think PRS and NRL Hunter are pushing scope manufacturers to create more offerings and better adapted designs for competition, which is great for us!
I would consider your hold off as well as hold over when selecting a reticle.
I went with the MIL reticle over the MOA reticle on my S3 Sightron, the MIL reticle has more horizontal cross hatches so its better for wind holds... The Sightron was to replace a Nikko that had very few horizontal marks before they turned into solid bars.
But that is coming from a 50x Open shooter, at 16x (or 12x) the width of the reticle is not as critical. And with hold over and hold off something more like a tree (PRS/NRL Hunter) reticle may be better than just the two axis of hatch marks. Lots of new stuff around these days, I think PRS and NRL Hunter are pushing scope manufacturers to create more offerings and better adapted designs for competition, which is great for us!
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Oh, I see the difference in the Athlon reticle you recommended v/s the Falcon reticle. I’ve only used MOA, and maybe I just got lucky with the setup, that all the holdovers landed on one of the sub tentions. I do like that Athlon reticle though.
Keith
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This weekend i was having great success with my Sightron 10-50x60 ft scope SFP / IR with ther MOA-H reticle on my Redwolf LP.
So i figured "lets try a different gun Daystates' Wolverine Sapphire, with a different scope, the Element Titan 3-18x50 FFP Mrad AP"R 2D reticle.
I have this scope in both MOA and MRAD. I went with Mrad for more detailed holdover points. These Titans range very well and spread the #'s out 270 degrees on the 5" wheel..
I quickly validated my dope from my bench to make sure nothing had changed (spot on) then Inmoved outside to the bucket and sticks.
I immediately began to struggle.... on all my "darker shots".
why?
I had plenty of Mil Holdover points of reference with the reticle, which i thought would greatly increase those dicey shots, and thus help.
But, the reticle at 16X was too fine to my 68 year old eyes so I got visually lost in the further darker shots - just couldn't see the reticle well enough past 42 yards to place it properly on a darker targets KZ's..... I turned on the reticle and yes it helped a bit.... but it was still tough.
Next week I am going to try a similar experiment, but this time i will shift to an Athlon Heras BTR Gen2 6-24x56 MRAD APRS7 reticle or APR-2D in second focal plane.
I have this Athlon in both FFP and SFP and I think @Motorhead is using the same scope in SFP and likes it.
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Great scope, it works on my .30 for UFT but I personally find it way to busy for HFT and not spaced out enough to easily find my hold. Also I believe the it is only the center dot? That’s the fun thing about this sport everyone’s perspective is a bit different
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Also the type terrain one shoots ?
Shaded woods, dark targets and such low light shooting will require or be desired a different style reticle than those who shoot in more well lit open spaces where reticle wash out is less likely.
Out west we're absolutely more in the well lit & open terrain type FT shooting. Viewing match report pictures from the eastern side of the country folks at FT shooting more in the woods, edges of, or Deep & shaded.
Shaded woods, dark targets and such low light shooting will require or be desired a different style reticle than those who shoot in more well lit open spaces where reticle wash out is less likely.
Out west we're absolutely more in the well lit & open terrain type FT shooting. Viewing match report pictures from the eastern side of the country folks at FT shooting more in the woods, edges of, or Deep & shaded.
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Wondering if the Troyer factor takes Dark conditions and Dark face plates into consideration.
I imagine somewhere there is a match director with the nickname lord of darkness.
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2025 revised GP rules ... Light or dark no longer has subjective value added to troyer value
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in SFP only center dot illuminates... if my FFP the whole reticle will light up.Great scope, it works on my .30 for UFT but I personally find it way to busy for HFT and not spaced out enough to easily find my hold. Also I believe the it is only the center dot? That’s the fun thing about this sport everyone’s perspective is a bit different
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Darkness not being a factor in field target is Quite odd to me, as the darker the target faceplate is and the darker the course setting, the more difficult it is to acquire / range / hold on the the KZ. Meh.
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With a rule that goes Coast to Coast, the "Subjective" rating of if or not target is dark or light is rather loose as ones dark is anthers non issue etc ....
The Windy rating being another ... as one areas normal ( say around here) is an issue with shooters typically in the woods etc ... BOTH are very regional to any base of Normal as this normal is what folks are accustomed to shooting and conditions outside of that is where adjusting troyer was allowed previous. It is being seen as too easy in gaining score advantage in GP points by claiming these correction values previously being allowed.
Just my take on it as one who shoots FT & a MD as well.
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I couldn't find the main reticle thickness of that Titan APR2D reticle but I'm guessing it's .03-04 mil thick?? That makes it harder to see the reticle hashes well in a FFP scope on 16x. But if the illume is bright enough you can take advantage of it.
This is where the new Athlon Midas Tac G2 4-16 and Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 would help in because the mil reticle thickness is .06 mil. How well they range is the question.
This is where the new Athlon Midas Tac G2 4-16 and Ares BTR G3 2.5-15 would help in because the mil reticle thickness is .06 mil. How well they range is the question.
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