Other Weihrauch HW95 barrel length?

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I was looking at the Weihrauch HW95 and I noticed that it's sold with 2 barrel lengths. The versions with the scope is listed as having a 12" barrel and the ones with iron sights installed are listed at 16.1" barrel. It seems to be a huge difference. I was leaning towards the ones with iron sights for closer distance pest rifle... and if the longer barrel is better, that might push me over the edge with it. What are your experiences?

Edit: on second thought, would the longer barrel increase the rifle's fuzziness on hold?
 
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A longer sight picture is usually better.I think the fuzziness is caused by your eyes, which is why many people use scopes. Oh, maybe you're talking about a longer barrel shows your shakes more?
I have the longer barrel one,I put a scope on it anyhow,I think a short barrel one would be the one I would get now and scope it, or you, with good eyesight and steady hold, get the longer barrel one(y)
 
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Don't buy the scoped version unless you're ok throwing away the scope. I bought a 22 cal Hw95 Field Pro. That had the Weihrauch scope and the short barrel with the muzzle weight. The scope had a strange brown tint to the glass that made it almost unusable. I've had better 50 dollar Amazon scopes.

Incidentally my 22 Field Pro barrel is low on power for reasons I've yet to determine. It's not due to the shorter length. Even their shortest barrels are long enough to utilize the swept volume of this platform.

I'd cation you about buying a Hw 95 with the high comb Luxus style stock if you plan on using the irons. The stock comb is uncomfortably high for most people when using the factory irons. I'm not even sure Weihrauch sells rifles with the better fitting (for irons) lower comb stocks any more.

Are you looking to use a scope?
 
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What I was saying about the longer barrel is longer lock time.

I do like scopes but I was thinking of keeping this gun simple as I'm only planning on shooting out to 20 meters with this gun. Most shots will probably be within 10 to 15 meters. I have no problem buying the one with the included scope. I will use it and if I find it unusable, then I will replace it. My issue with getting the one with iron sights, if I decide later on to scope it, even if I remove the sights, there will be bolt holes in the breach block. I do not like the look of the gun having both scope and iron sights.
 
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MushroomPsyche said:
What I was saying about the longer barrel is longer lock time.

I do like scopes but I was thinking of keeping this gun simple as I'm only planning on shooting out to 20 meters with this gun. Most shots will probably be within 10 to 15 meters. I have no problem buying the one with the included scope. I will use it and if I find it unusable, then I will replace it. My issue with getting the one with iron sights, if I decide later on to scope it, even if I remove the sights, there will be bolt holes in the breach block. I do not like the look of the gun having both scope and iron sights.
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I feel the same way about scopes and open sights. 10-15 meters you don't really need a scope. Scopes at that close range become a detriment because the height over bore. I had a back yard that was 18m yards deep my shots on squirrels were between 5-18m. I missed more shots between 5 and 10m than I did 10-18m. A squirrels head is a small target and at very close ranges inside your zero distance you actually have to hold over like a longer than zero distance shot. That's hard to compensate mentally. If you zero very close, you get two zero distances. The pellet will hit high between them and require holding under. It gets confusing and unless you're shooting big targets you really need to get your range right to make the shot.

I wound up using simple peep sights on the rifle and it was simply point and pull. Because of the low sight height there was really no hold over or hold under required between 5 and 18m. That was a 177 Hw30 and it waffled more gray squirrels, starlings and Sparrows than any other scoped rifle I own. I missed far less shots with the peeps than the scopes. I wish you luck with whatever you decide.
 
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Mycapt65 said:
I feel the same way about scopes and open sights. 10-15 meters you don't really need a scope. Scopes at that close range become a detriment because the height over bore. I had a back yard that was 18m yards deep my shots on squirrels were between 5-18m. I missed more shots between 5 and 10m than I did 10-18m. A squirrels head is a small target and at very close ranges inside your zero distance you actually have to hold over like a longer than zero distance shot. That's hard to compensate mentally. If you zero very close, you get two zero distances. The pellet will hit high between them and require holding under. It gets confusing and unless you're shooting big targets you really need to get your range right to make the shot.

I wound up using simple peep sights on the rifle and it was simply point and pull. Because of the low sight height there was really no hold over or hold under required between 5 and 18m. That was a 177 Hw30 and it waffled more gray squirrels, starlings and Sparrows than any other scoped rifle I own. I missed far less shots with the peeps than the scopes. I wish you luck with whatever you decide.
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Yes, I've taken plenty of shots at less than 10 meters. My closest one I believe is at 7 meters. Yes, my scope goes down to 3x magnification but I still have to dial around 4 mils up on shots that close. Sometimes I forget the number I need to dial in and I have to range it so the rangefinder will give me the hold over. With the iron sights on a springer, I just want to be able to pick it up and quickly take the shot out from the window. This is for chipmunks and rabbits that tries to live under our front porch.
 
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MushroomPsyche said:
Yes, I've taken plenty of shots at less than 10 meters. My closest one I believe is at 7 meters. Yes, my scope goes down to 3x magnification but I still have to dial around 4 mils up on shots that close. Sometimes I forget the number I need to dial in and I have to range it so the rangefinder will give me the hold over. With the iron sights on a springer, I just want to be able to pick it up and quickly take the shot out from the window. This is for chipmunks and rabbits that tries to live under our front porch.
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Gotcha. A 177 Hw30 is all you need for that. Rabbits and chipmunks are real soft easy to kill critters. You could step up to a 177 Hw50 for a bit more power if it made you feel better. Both rifles still have stocks that work well with irons or peeps. Frankly irons or peeps are quicker on target and better suited for your needs. I have the same issues where I live.
 
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FWIW the Hw30 is also a fantastic toy. You'll find yourself plinking for hours with it. IMO everyone should own at least one. I have two personals and three in the house. All 177

I also have a 177 Hw50. It's a better gun for gray squirrels past 20m because they're tough. I had a 22 Hw50 and sold it because it was too loopy for my skills. The 50s are a better all around rifle than a 30 but they are MUCH stiffer to cock than a 30.

I highly recommend the 30 for you if have other more powerful airguns for longer distances and tougher critters.
 
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The longer barrel usually translates to slightly more power. If you don't like the iron sights, I think they are removable, but for your intended application, I think you will find them to be the better choice. having a little more distance between the "ramp" and front "blade" of the sights will also yield better unscoped accuracy. Not to mention that it will provide an easier to cock platform with more leverage of the longer barrel. Go with the longer one. It's a WIN all the way around.
 
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erock said:
The longer barrel usually translates to slightly more power.
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That's not true in this platform. The rest of your logic is sound.
MushroomPsyche said:
I'm heavily leaning towards the HW95N with the walnut stock and iron sights.
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That's a very nice rifle. Just remember what I said about that comb height being uncomfortably high for many people when using the irons. If you do get one please report back how the open sights work out for you on that rifle. The more feedback the better.
 
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After checking AOA and Krale, all the 95s apparently have the Luxus design now. They used to offer a base model 95 with a simpler stock that didn't have checkering or cover the breech block. It has a lower comb that worked well wit the irons. Frankly I thought they were ugly.

My first Weihrauch was a Base model 95 and it had one. It now has a Beech Luxus stock because I like the Luxus stock better. And I don't shoot the rifle with irons. I tried putting irons back on but I couldn't get on them comfortably because the Luxus comb was too high. It's not just my fat face. Lots of people have noticed this. Some people don't have problems with it. Probably >90% of these rifles get scoped so Weihrauch caters to them and the iron sights are gratuitous fillers.

The 77 has the same problem. They raised the comb so high most people can't use the irons. Unlike the 95 most people buy the 77 wanting to use the irons. That's because the very same gun is sold without sights. That's the 97. Weihrauch has revamped a lot of wood lately. Some of it for the better. Some of it for the worse.
 
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MushroomPsyche said:
Thank you for the suggestions everyone. I'm heavily leaning towards the HW95N with the walnut stock and iron sights. I'd really like to keep this gun as simple as possible for the application I'm using it for.
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It is a very nice gun.
Mine is in .20cal and accurate.
The dwell time in the longer barrel isn't affecting the accuracy as far as I can tell and I'm shooting 75-yards. Mine is pretty smooth however it did go back for warranty, being dry of lube, and having a bur on the piston. So Shane de burred it and polished the piston.
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Mycapt65 said:
You're a braver man than I. I refrain from working with wood. Some people are great with it. I shouldn't be allowed to touch it. All I do is make a mess of it every time I do. I marvel at anyone that's good with it.
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I can’t recall the gun I thought about doing that to. Lol
Most big cheek guns aggravate me. I hate having to put mile high rings on a gun, and I don’t mind working with wood.
 
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