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Dr. Kralenstein said:
Learn to fight? Get good with a sword? Move?

If guns are outlawed there, then why worry since obviously the criminals/assailant will be unarmed.... right? They follow laws just like our criminals. Lol.
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Thats the problem, the criminals have guns/firearms, and sometimes even rifles. At some point in the city of Rotterdam there was a guy, who just randomly shot 3 people in the back. The police told people to stay inside their homes, and to watch out in the evening. And call emergency number and run if they see the gunner.
 
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Dutchairgunner said:
Thats the problem, the criminals have guns/firearms, and sometimes even rifles. At some point in the city of Rotterdam there was a guy, who just randomly shot 3 people in the back. The police told people to stay inside their homes, and to watch out in the evening. And call emergency number and run if they see the gunner.
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Then seems your only recourse is to attempt to change the laws in your country, which is well outside the scope of airgunnation. Sorry man, sounds like an unfortunate situation.
 
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Dutchairgunner said:
Thats the problem, the criminals have guns/firearms, and sometimes even rifles. At some point in the city of Rotterdam there was a guy, who just randomly shot 3 people in the back. The police told people to stay inside their homes, and to watch out in the evening. And call emergency number and run if they see the gunner.
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Step one: get filthy rich
Step two: learn a bunch of martial arts
Step three: become batman
Step four: fight crime. Batman doesn't need guns.
 
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Dutchairgunner said:
But what in a country like the Netherlands, where firearms are heavily restricted. In principle all firearms are forbidden. Certain groups can acquire one, but it is not easy. Sport shooters who have a gun license need to store their firearms in a safe, with a separate compartment for the ammunition. Using your firearm for self defense, even if it is legally justified, will lead to your license being revoked. How can one defend oneselve against bodily injury/death in a country like the Netherlands. Also pepperspray, blank guns and tasers are forbidden and considered as an illegal weapon.(unlike our eastern neighbour Germany). many knives are also forbidden to own. The only weapons that you are legally allowed to own, you cant carry on the street, if caught they will be confiscated.
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Canes and walking sticks are permitted virtually everywhere.
 
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I don't see why these guns would find a military application.

The most natural problem for the airgun world is these guns become increasingly powerful and a felon uses one in a crime. Then they get regulated like any other powderburner.

But if machine guns become normal, unrestricted firearms in the States, there will be few thoughts for airguns.
 
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MLE said:
No place classifies airguns as powder burners. There are separate laws for the regulation of airguns within specific COUNTIES inside the sates you mentioned above. In all of these cases, the counties are urban, and thus densely populated. It makes sense to regulate airgun usage in these places. This is why local laws exist.

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First, no regulations refer to the guns as "powder burners", but as "firearms" - and they usually define what they mean by firearm within the regulation.

Second, several states do, in fact, classify at least some (if not all) airguns as firearms within their state regulations. Some that don't are considering the change.

I am in Michigan, and that was the case here until 2015 - any airgun with a caliber larger than .177, or having a rifled barrel instead of a smoothbore tripped over to a firearm (not to mention the craziness with air pistols and LDCs). That said, the regs did not preclude ownership of such "firearms" (other than LDCs, consistent with Alphabet org requirements), and many localities were fine with their use - at the time, I could shoot mine legally on my property, but if I added an LDC I would have been breaking the state law. Fortunately that insanity ended, and they are no longer "Firearms" and LDCs on air power are permitted. But it really was the case for years here.

I don't know what each state does, but I believe at least Illinois is much like Michigan used to be only worse - I think anything bigger than .177 needs to go through an FFL dealer on purchase (Michigan did not require that). I think Washington State does too, but I could be wrong on that.
 
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AlanMcD said:
First, no regulations refer to the guns as "powder burners", but as "firearms" - and they usually define what they mean by firearm within the regulation.

Second, several states do, in fact, classify at least some (if not all) airguns as firearms within their state regulations. Some that don't are considering the change.
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Exactly.

And only NJ, as far as I know. But none of the states the original poster I was responding to mentioned.
 
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I can safely report that Washington is still a free state airgun wise. Just had UPS drop off a .22 PCP with moderator (LDC) Thursday. Had a Blitz delivered a few months ago that started me on this crazy train. Firearms laws changed here 4+ years ago, worse than California for MSR's, it's a good thing I dislike MSR's. Appreciate the mods going easy here on this thread, lets keep our political opinions to ourselves as the subject has merit. UPS is kind of illustrative of what we are discussing here. They will happily ship a PCP machine gun, yet the UPS store refused to accept a scope rail I was returning to Buds guns. It is a firearm accessory and thus prohibited. That chunk of aluminum extrusion, wrench, and screws is downright deadly donchaknow. Makes perfect sense to someone.
 
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Ricklin said:
I can safely report that Washington is still a free state airgun wise. Just had UPS drop off a .22 PCP with moderator (LDC) Thursday. Had a Blitz delivered a few months ago that started me on this crazy train. Firearms laws changed here 4+ years ago, worse than California for MSR's, it's a good thing I dislike MSR's. Appreciate the mods going easy here on this thread, lets keep our political opinions to ourselves as the subject has merit. UPS is kind of illustrative of what we are discussing here. They will happily ship a PCP machine gun, yet the UPS store refused to accept a scope rail I was returning to Buds guns. It is a firearm accessory and thus prohibited. That chunk of aluminum extrusion, wrench, and screws is downright deadly donchaknow. Makes perfect sense to someone.
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One of the most annoying aspects of creeping prohibition is that it prompts you to hoard gear in order to get ahead of upcoming bans. The stuff you have already is usually grandfathered in, so you end up buying way more stuff than you would have otherwise wanted to. One of the pending bills that looks likely to pass sets extreme limits on ammo purchases, so now I've got to stock up on ammo before it goes into effect.
 
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I do regret selling my Colt M4 and I dislike MSR's. Because now I can't have one, I do still have the magazines which are also unobtanium in my fine state. My Colt was unfired, In fact I had to buy a 10 round magazine for it to sell it to cabelas. Prohibitions have a history of working well......NOT! If it don't we declare war on the offending items, that too has a history. Those that do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it, Santayana, I think, wise words regardless.
 
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