Daystate Daystate Blackwolf

I know that's true. I just think they can push the $1800-$2000 limit and sell a lot of guns. I'm of the belief that the $3k level is out of a LOT of shooters budgets, and even those who can afford it will realize what you just posted ie. a lot of guns will shoot that well.

jps2486 said:

The groups shot on Airgun Advisor's Youtube video were good, but not any better than the rifles I currently own.

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So true.
But sometimes it isn’t just about groups but also fit, finish and innovation put into the gun. Some guns looks nice, but lacks the power. Some guns has the power, but looks like bride of Frankenstein. Some guns are accurate but heavy and cumbersome as a sleeper…and some guns takes a ingeneering degree to change o-rings. I believe Daystate come around these issues, but it does come with a price.

Maybe in 5 years I pick up a used one

You can purchase a LOT of stellar High power air rifles for well under 2K .... asking 3K for what your getting is not going to fly but for the few who may have otherwise been seriously interested ... IMO

Holy clams!!!!!
So I was intrigued with this gun, watched a few videos and interest grew. All mechanical, Daystate quality and no expensive (?) electronics. What’s not to like?
Visited AOA website and saw the pricing. Interest gone. Maybe I am not being realistic, but I think upper tier air guns have found, if not their ceiling? Definitely mine.
Edit: Looks like I was a bit late with my rant about pricing. I doubt this gun will be a big mover at the pricing. As others have noted, it ain’t doing anything a gun that costs 1/3 or more less can do and it is years late to the easily tuned and Infinitely variable game. Any word on the cost of the MOA replacement barrels?

Carbon gray 17" bottle version $2499.
BRK Ghost 23" HP $2399.

Which one would ya'll pick and why?

Demphna2 said:

Carbon gray 17" bottle version $2499.
BRK Ghost 23" HP $2399.

Which one would ya'll pick and why?

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I have 2 ghosts and the first 1 i bought for $1925! I think aoa is looking for too high a margin on all daystate guns and the ghost too trying to pay for ebr! I love my ghosts though like the shorter gun

jps2486 said:

The value of Red Wolves has just tanked. All the old wolves are running away with their tails between their legs. This is a true refinement, not just a re-hashed old platform.

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They missed fixing a couple of issues
to reduce reg pressure you need to degass
but
unlike the ghosts or delta wolf there is no valve in the bottle or tube
thus you have to completely degass the entire air system like the Redwolf
sigh

Chukar60 said:

looking forward to someone doing a deep dive on this gun. What I saw was a lot of enthusiasm with some details.
Regardless, as someone who has admired the quality of Daystate but never trusted the electronics this gun has my interest. Like any new gun from any maker, I will wait to see what a few months of being available reveals.
Anyone else notice the front scope ring position during introduction? not insinuating a thing with the observation. Just odd.

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I suspect he did the scope tilt for humor

bchannell said:

AMMENDED STATEMENT

I converted the UK price to get the $1800 number. When I saw the AOA prices, I couldn't believe it. No disrespect to AOA, they're great, but DS is crazy if they think they'll sell a lot of $3k airguns, i don't care how well they shoot! There's a lot of good guns for half that.

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They sold the first dozen in a day

I just looked over the drawings DS released.
The trigger is a fairly faithful copy of the Taipan, not true two stage, but great.
I agree that there are relatively few o rings and it is a good solid design. I really didn't expect less from DS.
I stand by my original opinion, it is a really good airgun, and checks all the boxes, but the price is a killer.
I wouldn't get too excited about the first batch sellout, that's pretty typical of new releases. It's pretty easy to find a thousand or so people who can afford, or are willing, to spend $2-3K on an airgun, the trick is find many thousands.

Truth is, I want one. Reality is, I doubt I'll go that route any time soon, too many competitors.

rigbymauser said:

Yes and no. Shooting +20grainers its ok. Hopefully this gun here will take the 22-24grain slugs.

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well if slugs is your thing... the 28" barrels are designed for slugs.

bchannell said:

I just looked over the drawings DS released.
The trigger is a fairly faithful copy of the Taipan, not true two stage, but great.
I agree that there are relatively few o rings and it is a good solid design. I really didn't expect less from DS.
I stand by my original opinion, it is a really good airgun, and checks all the boxes, but the price is a killer.
I wouldn't get too excited about the first batch sellout, that's pretty typical of new releases. It's pretty easy to find a thousand or so people who can afford, or are willing, to spend $2-3K on an airgun, the trick is find many thousands.

Truth is, I want one. Reality is, I doubt I'll go that route any time soon, too many competitors.

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and the accessories are coming https://www.pr-s.co.uk/blackwolf

cavedweller said:

well if slugs is your thing... the 28" barrels are designed for slugs.

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28” barrel is too long for my liking. I like the BW with 17 or 23” barrel. Why Daystate haven’t made the shorter barrels to shoot the heavy slugs I don’t understand( I have a suspicion why though). I have had ordered a BW but canselled as I was afraid to spend $3300 on a gun that could do 35-40 ft/ibs but I had to turn it down powerwise to shoot pellet accurately.

rigbymauser said:

28” barrel is too long for my liking. I like the BW with 17 or 23” barrel. Why Daystate haven’t made the shorter barrels to shoot the heavy slugs I don’t understand( I have a suspicion why though). I have had ordered a BW but canselled as I was afraid to spend $3300 on a gun that could do 35-40 ft/ibs but I had to turn it down powerwise to shoot pellet accurately.

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Everything I have read to date, suggests that slugs... need to go faster >930 FPS and up, for them to be most accurate; thus the longer barrels, which allow the pellet to reach a higher speed before exiting the muzzle. I personally want to avoid going sonic!

Pellets on the flip side of this, do better at speeds less than <915 fps (generally) as i am sure there are exceptions.

The U.S. market is probably the biggest market for FAC rifles, whereas many other countries are limited to <12 FPE.
Very hard to keep everyone happy and legal in this regards. Shooting slugs in a <12 fpe airgun is kinda silly.

My overall thoughts on this slug v. pellet adventure are simple:

A pellet gun is a "pellet gun" and i don't want or need a pellet to go out past 110 yards for "my" purposes. Even though i am aware folks like to shoot things much further away. I have shot both coyote and wild pig at less than 40 yards using a .30 EVOL.
If i need to engage target or quarry past 75 yards (for me personally) I'm switching to a .22 cal powder burner or bigger.

The RAW / Texan line up has some BEASTLY large bore guns; but in my world they wouldn't see the light of day more than a couple times a year.

The companies that are currently trying to accommodate the consumers current fascination or obsession with Slugs, is an attempt to keep the consumers happy and maintain good sales.

While I can see the benefits of pushing the technology boundaries further and further by trying to incorporate slugs, i am also aware that the things that make a pellet gun attractive to most of us, are becoming jeopardized as FPE continues to increase to the point where they become designated as firearms.

Just my thoughts... right or wrong i own them.

I was into slugs initially, but then realized that most of my shooting was under 100 yards so I'll just focus on pellets and becoming a better shooter. That's not to say I won't use them in the future for long distance, but it's not my priority right now.

bchannell said:

I just looked over the drawings DS released.
The trigger is a fairly faithful copy of the Taipan, not true two stage, but great.

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I was curious so went digging.

Theyre not pointing the same direction, but allows a comparison.

BlackWolf diagram is with projectile travel from left to right.
Veteran diagram is with pellet travel from right to left.




Could argue it either way and not be wrong. Personally, I feel that they're similar, but in the same fashion that most triggers are similar. I wouldn't go as far as to say faithful copy though. If they did take some inspiration from the Vet trigger, that'll be a good thing.

Are these rifles truly capable of pushing a .30 caliber 45 grain pellet to 900+ fps in practical terms? Or a .25 to 940+ fps?

It is not the FPE that is garnering attention from certain elements, it is the tactical, military assault rifle, machine gun looks that gets red flags all over the place. The Black Wolf are at least available in a sub 40 inches rifle that looks like a hunting weapon and not a military piece.

How many shots could be expected from the .30 tube version with 45 grain pellets at 900 fps?

3Crows said:

Are these rifles truly capable of pushing a .30 caliber 45 grain pellet to 900+ fps in practical terms? Or a .25 to 940+ fps?

It is not the FPE that is garnering attention from certain elements, it is the tactical, military assault rifle, machine gun looks that gets red flags all over the place. The Black Wolf are at least available in a sub 40 inches rifle that looks like a hunting weapon and not a military piece.

How many shots could be expected from the .30 tube version with 45 grain pellets at 900 fps?

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From what I can see, the longest tubes in the BlackWolf are 300cc. I own a different make/model with a similar volume of air tube and it only gets 30 shots per fill, 50fpe each. Your example of a 45 grain @ 900 fps would be 80fpe. As I said, not the same gun but physics is physics, and there's only so much energy potential in a given volume/pressure of air. I'd be quite surprised if a 300cc airtubed Black Wolf gets more than 20ish shots per fill, in your example of 80fpe per shot. And 16-18 might even be optimistic.

cavedweller said:

Everything I have read to date, suggests that slugs... need to go faster >930 FPS and up, for them to be most accurate; thus the longer barrels, which allow the pellet to reach a higher speed before exiting the muzzle. I personally want to avoid going sonic!

Pellets on the flip side of this, do better at speeds less than <915 fps (generally) as i am sure there are exceptions.

The U.S. market is probably the biggest market for FAC rifles, whereas many other countries are limited to <12 FPE.
Very hard to keep everyone happy and legal in this regards. Shooting slugs in a <12 fpe airgun is kinda silly.

My overall thoughts on this slug v. pellet adventure are simple:

A pellet gun is a "pellet gun" and i don't want or need a pellet to go out past 110 yards for "my" purposes. Even though i am aware folks like to shoot things much further away. I have shot both coyote and wild pig at less than 40 yards using a .30 EVOL.
If i need to engage target or quarry past 75 yards (for me personally) I'm switching to a .22 cal powder burner or bigger.

The RAW / Texan line up has some BEASTLY large bore guns; but in my world they wouldn't see the light of day more than a couple times a year.

The companies that are currently trying to accommodate the consumers current fascination or obsession with Slugs, is an attempt to keep the consumers happy and maintain good sales.

While I can see the benefits of pushing the technology boundaries further and further by trying to incorporate slugs, i am also aware that the things that make a pellet gun attractive to most of us, are becoming jeopardized as FPE continues to increase to the point where they become designated as firearms.

Just my thoughts... right or wrong i own them.

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I have here since I got my Daystate Revere in .177cal(august 2021) said the slugs doesn`t need to go fast. Its only an "FX thing" spread over the internet that slugs need to go fast. My Revere shoots 20grain slugs accurately down to 14 ft/ibs. Shooting slugs its about the rifling profile, the land/groove relation and twist. Right now my Revere is set to 23 ft/ibs with ZANs 22grain solids or 690 ft/sec. The type of barrel I have on my Revere is standard LW barrel. The FX are doing their rifling(which is not a rifling) has its limitations. Here is a slug from the Revere. No magic.