RAW Rapid HM1000x Bottle Valve Repair ???

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RAW - BOTTLE VALVE not holding air or not allowing the bottle to be filled?

Does the RAW bottle NOZZLE (INTERNAL VALVE) contain an O-ring that can be changed out?

I have switched the bottle to other guns and found the problem to be the bottle only.
External nozzle O-ring new, hence the problem is inside the nozzle.
There must be O-rings of some sort .............. :unsure:

RAW sells a bottle neck for $35, but it only makes sense its leak can be fixed with an O-ring or something similar?
 
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Ones i've seen use a molded plastic poppet ... no o-ring making the check valve seal.
Bottle neck to bottle has an o-ring as does the male that screws into fast flow or regulator.

Some of the Older Theoben era bottle necks while having similar threading take a different size o-ring where screwing into fast flow or reg .... Try a different size o-ring at that location :unsure:
 
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Motorhead said:
Ones i've seen use a molded plastic poppet ... no o-ring making the check valve seal.
Bottle neck to bottle has an o-ring as does the male that screws into fast flow or regulator.

Some of the Older Theoben era bottle necks while having similar threading take a different size o-ring where screwing into fast flow or reg .... Try a different size o-ring at that location :unsure:
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Thanks Scott,
Is there a simple way to unscrew the nozzle w/o damaging the CFB?
Or is a special tool needed?
 
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Bought a spare some time ago. No oring in the actual valve assembly

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Thanks Cony and Scott,
Unscrewed the bottle valve, holding the bottle in my hand and using a crescent wrench and whacking it with a small hammer.
Sorry Scott, I didn't see you post until I got it out. Only took 3 well placed whacks.

Replaced the BS-116 O-ring per Martin R. Martin didn't think it should be anything else.

Tried to pump up, but still no go. I know the fix/solution is right in front of me :p.
In the mean time, I'll take out the plastic plunger (thanks corny) and inspect.

Classic problem which shouldn't be that hard ........ and will become easy (burned into my brain) once it's solved.
 
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SpiralGroove said:
Thanks Cony and Scott,
Unscrewed the bottle valve, holding the bottle in my hand and using a crescent wrench and whacking it with a small hammer.
Sorry Scott, I didn't see you post until I got it out. Only took 3 well placed whacks.

Replaced the BS-116 O-ring per Martin R. Martin didn't think it should be anything else.

Tried to pump up, but still no go. I know the fix/solution is right in front of me :p.
In the mean time, I'll take out the plastic plunger (thanks corny) and inspect.

Classic problem which shouldn't be that hard ........ and will become easy (burned into my brain) once it's solved.
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Is it not taking air? Or not retaining the air once it’s pressurized?
 
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I would do this ....
Place this problem bottle on another action where it can be partially filled ( say 1000 psi )
Now remove said bottle and secure it to the action that was not filling :unsure:

DOES THE AIR IN BOTTLE transfer to plenum allowing the rifle to cycle discharging air ?

* If it Does, then you likely have a STUCK foster check valve in the filler fitting.
* If it does Not, then it is an issue with the check valve likely NOT getting depressed enough by the screwed in seat having the short soda straw extension that presses in inward when bottles tightened down.
Note: pressure coming in threw fill manifold should still push the check valve open on bottle and bottle to fill, if bottle check valve is the issue, a couple shots and plenum will be exhausted not being refilled by bottle pressure.
So .... Take out and service the foster fill assembly would be my call on this issue.

LOOK at the bottles check valve next to a known functional bottle ..... IS THE CHECK VALVE sitting more recessed within the neck than the bottle that functions ?
 
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Removed the plastic plunger and spring which seemed worn/corroded and cleaned up and put a touch of lube on the plunger.
Still no go ... the air is leaking out the the regulator/bottle connection. Put another new bottle O-ring on ...... still no go o_O.

You know when you get so pizzed/frustrated you want to throw the thing across the room - that's where I'm at :oops:.
I need to step back for a few days to regain my sanity ........... :eek:
 
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Motorhead said:
I would do this ....
Place this problem bottle on another action where it can be partially filled ( say 1000 psi )
Now remove it said bottle and secure it to the action that was not filling :unsure:

DOES THE AIR IN BOTTLE transfer to plenum allowing the rifle to cycle discharging air ?

* If it Does, then you likely have a STUCK foster check valve in the filler fitting.
* If it does Not, then it is an issue with the check valve likely NOT getting depressed enough by the screwed in seat having the short soda straw extension that presses in inward when bottles tightened down.
LOOK at the bottles check valve next to a known functional bottle ..... IS THE CHECK VALVE sitting more recessed within the neck than the bottle that functions ?
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Thanks for responding ........ Scott,
The bottle was originally on another gun and was empty, so I didn't know if the problem was the first gun set-up or bottle.
Hence, I took another full bottle and put it on the first gun - the gun held air and shot like a champ - no leaks. First gun now OK.

Took the empty bottle and put it on the second gun (which was holding air and shooting fine). This is the action I'm currently using to diagnose the problem ..... the bottle IS the problem.

The bottle has transferred some air to the plenum, but a small amount - the Sekhmet gauge hasn't increased from 0 bar.
 
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Thanks for responding ........ Scott,
The bottle was originally on another gun and was empty, so I didn't know if the problem was the first gun set-up or bottle.
Hence, I took another full bottle and put it on the first gun - the gun held air and shot like a champ - no leaks. First gun now OK.

Took the empty bottle and put it on the second gun (which was holding air and shooting fine). This is the action I'm currently using to diagnose the problem ..... the bottle IS the problem.

The bottle has transferred some air to the plenum, but a small amount - the Sekhmet gauge hasn't increased from 0 bar.
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ACTUALLY .... Bottle Neck is issue, as I'm sure bottle itself is fine.
 
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corny said:
Well, you could trying filling it without the bottle check valve installed?
Or u could remove the quick fill check valve too??

So if the guns holds air.
Could bleed it all out though the bleed on the larger fill tank?

Obviously all u would need it 500-1000 psi so you have an idea where and if you have a leak
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So .... what do you mean corny?

I already know that everything on the gun is working -> except the bottle/neck.
What are u proposing to test this?

Thanks ......... ;)
 
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