Beeman HW97K .20 accuracy
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Hey .20calguy, that is a really shiny finish on that 95, I like it. Guessing it's not as it came from the factory?
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Tell us about those Element scopes...
In your first photo you have an Athlon on the 97k. The second photo is an Element. On the 95 too.
I'm thinking about a FFP for the rimfire. I'd like your input on the Element. Does it have the Christmas tree reticle or the hunting reticle? 4x16? Good glass?
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I have a be in 20 and I agree I love it. It’s a little loud and more recoil than I’m looking for normally but great practice.
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I cut and buffed it. It wasn't real poress like my 35e. So I sanded it smooth with 600 wet or dry, and finished with 2000, then 3M buffing compound then carwax.
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The reticle is an MOA designed by Ted Bier of Ted's Holdover fame.
I really like it. I can take accurate measurements and make quick adjustments.
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Ted designed the moa reticles for easier and quicker calculations.
My Athelons are FFP MOA as well.
The 97k broke a 6x24x50 FFP, and I ran the Athelon from my Crown while I waited for the Element replacement.
The Element scope was replaced under warranty in just five days, installed and shooting.
I bought an Athelon recently because I wanted one springer with an illuminated reticle. Element didn't have one in that price range.
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My first Athlon scope i bought used at a gun show . The guy said it was broken and we settled on $40 . I thought at that price it made a great target spotting scope . The scope laid in the back seat for three days till i saw it . Yes it was a good spotting scope .
I had never heard of Athlon and Googled the company . read about their Warrantee and thought it was worth sending it in . Figured they would say abuse and not cover it . Nope ! 4 days later i had a new $550.00 scope , i had no idea that was going to happen . I actually felt guilty , really .
Stan in Ky .
I had never heard of Athlon and Googled the company . read about their Warrantee and thought it was worth sending it in . Figured they would say abuse and not cover it . Nope ! 4 days later i had a new $550.00 scope , i had no idea that was going to happen . I actually felt guilty , really .
Stan in Ky .
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Hey Bob,
That illustration of the Element reticle seems like it would be obstructive, but it's not.
I have a pic of it taken with a phone that shows what I mean. It's nowhere near as nice as your eyes would see it, nor is it a full field of veiw, but it shows that the reticle is not bothersome ior n your way
That picture makes it look hard to see Lol
It is the best retical that I've shot behind, though.
If you're shooting from a bench, you can simply measure the distance between your point of aim and point of impact in MOA and dial out. 1 click = 1/4 moa.
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Thanks for your input!
I'm going to try an FFP in MIL increments. I need a bit more scope on the rimfire. Ive never "clicked" for elevation, .just held over. Never used MILs. Only MOA. Never used an FFP. I might even range in meters. Why not?
I figure it's time to switch it all up at once and learn some new tricks. I've looked at several scopes under $500 or so and read some reviews. It's good to get your feedback. Ive heard nothing but good about Element scopes.
That's a mighty shiny 95....
I'm going to try an FFP in MIL increments. I need a bit more scope on the rimfire. Ive never "clicked" for elevation, .just held over. Never used MILs. Only MOA. Never used an FFP. I might even range in meters. Why not?
I figure it's time to switch it all up at once and learn some new tricks. I've looked at several scopes under $500 or so and read some reviews. It's good to get your feedback. Ive heard nothing but good about Element scopes.
That's a mighty shiny 95....
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I guess in actuality it's only what you refer to something as. I could just as easily measure in milrad's and count the clicks to adjust, which is what I would be doing if the they didn't offer moa.
My brain just thinks moa, inches feet and yards.
2000 wet or dry paper, 3M polish, car wax.
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I guess in actuality it's only what you refer to something as. I could just as easily measure in milrad's and count the clicks to adjust, which is what I would be doing if the they didn't offer moa.
My brain just thinks moa, inches feet and yards.
2000 wet or dry paper, 3M polish, car wax.
I'm with you on the MOA/yards. It's what I'm familiar with.
I'm just doing it to learn a new language. All these rimfire guys are speaking in clicks and grunts and I need to figure out what the hubbub is about.
I've never used the reticle for a drop calculation, only a reference point. So MOA or Mrad dosent matter. Below the crosshair It's all just lines to me. I'm thinking in inches of drop at a given range and using the hash mark that comes closest for an aiming reference.
I know it will help make my range transitions more precise on tiny targets using the features of the scope rather than just winging it and seeing where the first one lands.
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In that regard, Moa is closer to inches, and the difference is already in my mind. So if someone spots me 10 inches low, my mind says 25 clicks of up. Or 1 extra click every 2 inches for a ball park figure without measuring, but I'm going to measure!
It has become habitual to measure hit vs. aim points while shooting. An inch grated target shows the inches but my cross hair shows the true moa.
It doesn't matter what range you're at with the FFP crosshair. It's showing true moa. One inch targets are only close to moa at 100 yards.
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True. But if I switch my range finder to meters then all that's needed is to move a decimal point to get my click value. I will be forced to use the metric system and a bit less granularity in my scope adjustments. It will push me out of my comfort zone and hopefully slow the brain atrophy the aging process has cursed me with.
It's just an investment in my continuing education. A budget FFP scope is cheaper than a night class at the community college and a lot more fun. I'll be clicking and grunting in some foreign tongue by the time the dust storms end.
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