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If you’re serious about slug accuracy the man to talk to is Mike Niksch and his Thomas HP slug rifles. He’s gotten them very competitive with BR rimfire rigs but I couldn’t tell you details.

Slugs get less expensive if you swage your own but that’s time spent making not shooting. And you’ll still need a meaty compressor to keep the bottles full.
 
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Pyramyd finally got some in today and I ordered 4 tins, 800, 21 grain H&N slugs for my Caiman X. I think it was about $70 delivered. That's close to double pellets but I like messing with slugs in at least one gun. For 50 and especially 100 yards slugs will help because of a much better bc.

There are a lot of guys spending a lot more than I have on air rifles. My Caiman was $1400 and it's the only one I've bought over $500. It and my P35-22 have both given me a 200 on the 30 yard challenge target. There are multiple guns under $1000 that are very worthwhile having and that shoot well enough to use at 50 to 100 yards. If you want to spend more that's great I am just commenting I don't think you have to.
 
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.5 inch at 100 yards with a .177, that is the stuff dreams are made off, and for sure it will only be possible with slugs.
I have yet to shoot a good 100 yards group as i have been shooting a bit short of 100 mainly due to the layout of out range, and now that this have improved greatly i tend to shoot 120 + yards.
But a 1" group at 100 that i firmly believe is possible, also on a fairly regular basis, but putting 5 into half of that is something else, at least from what i get from all ( .177 almost exclusive caliber here in Denmark ) shooters here

If i was you i would look at a .22 instead, i would shoot those if it was possible for Danes with just a slight bit of ease.

2 of my good groups, and even shot back 2 back, but only 86 M, which is 90 or so yards.

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dgeesaman said:
I have a Vudoo single shot br rifle, Anschutz 1907 prone rifle, and a couple of centerfire rifles that shoot one hole at 100y. Tuners, tunnel testing, hand pulled bullets, Lapua brass and match ammo, you know where that’s at. With my best lot matched ammo or handloads the one hole performance occasionally gets boring.

I have never achieved one hole anything airgun at 50y. At least not more than the odd occurrence. Wind is 5x more influential on airgun pellets than rimfire.

That Walther is a 10m match rifle that shoots at very low power. The Field Target model does 12 ft-lb (2x more) and will give up a lot at 50y to higher power airguns.

The only way to shoot small groups at 50 and 100 is with a very high power pcp and just the right slug and tune. Pellets just aren’t as consistent ballistically at those ranges. I’ve made some attempts to do this with my high power pellet PCPs and never got a consistently accurate combination. I will try again this year using an unchoked Benchmark barrel I have. And these airguns drink air and expensive slugs.

So the question is whether you’re set on 50 and 100y. If you can move the goalposts to 25 and 50 you can enjoy pellet shooting. You’ll come to appreciate one hole groups and good wind calls much more. There are guys I shoot with who did everything in firearms and have ignored all of it for 25-50y airgunning.
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this last paragraph is where i'm at also
 
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For 100 yard competitions they mostly use 30 caliber and some 25 calibers. You have to use pellets but the bc of all projectiles gets better as the diameter increases. Airguns can also make 22lr level energy much easier in larger calibers. Some have tuned 22 calibers to shoot 40 grain slugs over 1000 fps but shot count is very low. So to maximize accuracy at long range you may want to think of larger calibers, but it increases projectile cost.
 
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I've owned lotsa rimfires like Anschutz, Vudoo, CZ, Remingtons, H&Rs over the years as well as a number of match quality air rifles. Your goal is pretty much like mine and many others here. On a good day, most of these guns will come close to one hole groups at 50 yards. 100 yards? Maybe sometimes, but other conditions, like wind, and what you had for breakfast might affect your groups here. Yup, I've shot some sub MOA groups with a lot of these rifles, but you want 1/2 MOA? A noble goal, but I doubt you will achieve this on a regular basis. If you get sub MOA that's good.

Now you are looking for a .177 cal rifle with those goals in mind. Many of the top rifles like RAW, FWB, Daystate, Thomas, Brocock, etc can shoot pretty good at 50, but the groups will spread out at 100. My best 100 yard .177 cal gun was built by Martin Rutterford at airguns-usa.com. He's the creator of this platform but no longer owns the company. It's owned by Air Force and still makes a quality product, BUT, they don't offer their HM1000x in .177 caliber. Martin built it for me and I've used it for 100 yard EBR matches. It's capable of sub 1 MOA and does as well as any airgun, any caliber, at that distance. Beyond 75 yards, slugs are a must IMO. I shoot Zan 13.4 gr at 1010 fps. If you want more info, PM me.

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Those who have said here that you can shoot one hole groups at 100 yards with your Vudoo and Anschutz rifles are full of poo poo. Maybe you have an occasional museum display target, but you can't do that on a regular basis. Just look at all the YouTube videos from Cyclops and Day at the Range. These guys tested a bunch of high end rifles and ammo, mostly at 50 yards. I think Cyclops did a one hole group at 50 with his custom built RimX. Those guys have tested Winchester 52s, Rem 40X, Vudoos, Kimbers, Anshutz top end guns. Yep, you can shoot less than 1 MOA, but not one hole. That's reserved for the outhouse.
 
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Those who have said here that you can shoot one hole groups at 100 yards with your Vudoo and Anschutz rifles are full of poo poo. Maybe you have an occasional museum display target, but you can't do that on a regular basis. Just look at all the YouTube videos from Cyclops and Day at the Range. These guys tested a bunch of high end rifles and ammo, mostly at 50 yards. I think Cyclops did a one hole group at 50 with his custom built RimX. Those guys have tested Winchester 52s, Rem 40X, Vudoos, Kimbers, Anshutz top end guns. Yep, you can shoot less than 1 MOA, but not one hole. That's reserved for the outhouse.
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With ammunition of the right brand (Lapua) and the right lot at 50 yards one hole groups are expected. Eight or nine out of ten groups will be a single hole. Weather such as high wind and cold temperatures play a factor.

At 100 yards I have shot several one hole groups. One out of 25-35 I’ll get a single hole .250 or less group. Rifle, ammunition, weather all play a factor. Keep in mind I shoot 4 to 5 times a week.

This is from a lot of Center-x that I have that shoots absolutely crazy accurate out of my 22” Gen 2, 90 degree Vudoo. This is exactly 50 yards shot off bag and bipod. They are five shot groups.


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Well you have received the best advice you will get from the best airgun forum on the innanet. Welcome to the best. Try not to get into arguments at least not in a negative debate. A positive debate with precise data, and the least chest pounding will be beneficial to all. In the end I think we all hope to be the man our dog thinks we are. Does that make any sense at all? Somewhere in that is some basic truth of life. Be Well Brothers, Bandito.
 
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With ammunition of the right brand (Lapua) and the right lot at 50 yards one hole groups are expected. Eight or nine out of ten groups will be a single hole. Weather such as high wind and cold temperatures play a factor.

At 100 yards I have shot several one hole groups. One out of 25-35 I’ll get a single hole .250 or less group. Rifle, ammunition, weather all play a factor. Keep in mind I shoot 4 to 5 times a week.

This is from a lot of Center-x that I have that shoots absolutely crazy accurate out of my 22” Gen 2, 90 degree Vudoo. This is exactly 50 yards shot off bag and bipod. They are five shot groups.
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Boy that's totally out of the ordinary. My Vudoo was good, but never that good. If you are not in competition with that, you should be. Sorry for my crass remark. Here's what mine was capable of, but it could have been better with different ammo I suppose. BTW, mine originally had an Ace bbl which was meh! I sent it back and they put a Benchmark on it. Big difference.
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I did end up purchasing a Feinwerkbau 800 universal. It looks like it will be fun to play with. After doing a great deal of reading my anticpation is that from 25-50 yards it should be a fun toy to cut down dandelions this spring. I put a Leupold 6-18x40 with front focus and AO on it. Due to an eye issue it forces a lefthand rifle but it may be a blessing due to cocking limitations on this rifle.

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