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Spell checker AGAIN. I wrote NICK GREGORIS.

Spell cGregory's. I meant NICK Gregoris.

Nice shot. Nice Gregoris got me interested in barrel lapping. He's the only break barrel guy up there!:p

I own powder burners but my property is surrounded by livestock and humans. I can practice airguns all day without bothering the neighbors. My references to groundhogs was meant to be a case in point that higher powered (AND accurate) underlevers must exist because of the market emphasis on...

You guys are awesome. Thanks for exactly the discussion I was hoping for, and for posting data!

YES. TOTALLY AGREE. Some of my practice sessions are "trigger" days. It's the main focus of that session. Thats why ive gone so far as to wind my own springs. Trigger tuning has made a huge difference for me with springers.

Hey, Airshot. I liked your comments. I have a magnum break barrel with nitro piston in .22, with a Walther barrel. I've made a number of custom mods and really live this rifle but from my tests co-witnessing barrel mounted lasers with receiver mounted scope, I've identified the breach pivot...

I'm interested in barrel tuning and barrel mods, which is part of the interest.

I had documented from my own tests that a barrel pivot has the capability to affect shot placement. It is a variable that fixed barrel rifles don't have. I know there are many examples of good break barrels out there and people have had great results with different break barrels. Myself...

No reason to continue to make personal comments and be disrespectful, brother. I have studied and practiced innovation theory and taught methods of experimentation for 40 years. I have mechanical, chemical and electronic patents and my work has won multiple Presidents awards from fortune 500...

For me, it would be attractive to find a fixed barrel (like an underlever) with greater effective range based on both power and accuracy. I know I'll get responses recommending PCP, which I'm not very interested in. I'd like to know if anyone is aware of underlevers that can match the fpe of...

I used the example of groundhogs to add a bit of levity to the discussion while pointing out that manufacturers market these air rifles for small game. If small game is a realistic objective, then it is further evidence (at least to me) that some type of pump airgun would be available out...

Oh yeah, and I wasn't trying to start a debate about groundhogs or unicorns. Just asking for the kind of underlever/break barrel comparison info I've been unable to find online... which seemed strange to me. If/when I do finally get a chrono, I'll post my numbers.

It seems a conundrum to me that you need good accuracy AND more power to increase your range. Accuracy wont matter if your pellet cant fly that far and power wont increase your range if you cant hit a target. Thats why im asking about rifles that have fixed barrel (accuracy) but also have...

The high powered mags have a bad reputation for accuracy, which I believe is because they are exceeding the optimal velocity and the spring recoil can be violent. Recoil can be tamed with technology and heavier pellets can help give good knockdown without needing high FPS.

Thanks all. There's some good feedback here but the real gist of my question is that break barrel manufacturers are publishing numbers as high as 1200fps in .22 and underlevers are publishing numbers more like 650-850 fps. I don't think their level of honesty is fundamentally different or that...

Really interested in .22, not .177.

I shoot break barrels but I want to have accuracy benefits of a fixed barrel. (Trust me, I'm a scientist and a statistician and I've studied that topic for many years under controlled conditions. Not trying to start an accuracy debate.) If you disagree, let's agree to disagree so I can get...

You will find volumes of comments online on this topic and most of them may be true... in the specific experience of the person commenting. When you ask a question about the relative accuracy about break barrel vs fixed barrel. You are really asking HOW TRUE this is and under what conditions...