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Having zero experience with the Avenge-X, I will nevertheless posit the following...
Anyone who would tell you they are averaging 1.5 MoA 5-shot groups at 100 yards with pellets using a $500 rifle should be regarded with great skepticism.
Anyone who would tell you they are averaging 1.5 MoA 5-shot groups at 100 yards with pellets using a $500 rifle should be regarded with great skepticism.
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As an average of multiple groups with pellets at 100 yards, 1.5 MoA is beyond exceptional. There are but a handful of marksmen with expert wind-reading skills who can pull off such a feat with an exquisitely smithed and tuned rifle of any price, let alone with a $500 rifle that has been merely tuned.
The key word here is average. One or two 1.0-1.5 MoA groups out of 10 at 100 yards is an achievement worthy of praise. All 10 groups averaging 1.5 MoA or less is an achievement worthy almost of worship.
I would be surprised if a single person has ever pulled it off with 18gr pellets.
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Yes sir, that is precisely what I was hinting at.
Granted if you are among the top 0.5% of marksmen in the world, and enjoy the challenge of lobbing projectiles with poor ballistics at long distances, then by all means slay that dragon. Just know that a lot of men before you fought valiantly and either gave up or retreated back to home base for a more suitable weapon.
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As someone who shoots the 30YC with a 177.... Those are some magic pellets. But seriously, you have to really inspect your pellets on top of what @nervoustrig said. Repeating it is the difficult part. As a continuing student of marksmanship for the last 28 years, who has been lucky enough to win some competitions, everything has to come together.
I have yet to see anyone set up a rifle on a mechanical shooting device while being indoors. Until then you can't evaluate a rife, but you'll still have the pellet issue.
I have yet to see anyone set up a rifle on a mechanical shooting device while being indoors. Until then you can't evaluate a rife, but you'll still have the pellet issue.
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I do understand what you are saying. If you are happy with 2moa then great. I shoot 1in spinners on the regular with jsb 18.1, allbeit with accurate rifles. Can i do that with an avenger, i do not know. The .177 avenger i had was garbage, many say they are great but that rifle could barely shoot 2moa at 25yds much less any further. S510, Dreamline, NP03, Maverick, Katran with slugs, Wildcatmk3(.25), marauder FT are the rifles i have owned that could consistently hit those 1in spinners at 100yds and with jsb 18.1s. Or 18g H&N. This is standing with a bipod or bagrest from my deck rail. That is what i like to do with my airguns though. I have had a few that I cannot do that with and they always go to the wayside.
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My best ever 5 jishoot group was with Vulcan .25 with Jsb King pellets at 105 yards that measured 13 mm 1/2 inch roughly but my average groups with that rifle was about 1.5 inch at 100y.
In .22 the rifles i had that could average 1.5 or less were 2 Fx Streamlines,Fx Impact mk2,Royale,Kalibrgun Cricket and Vulcan 2.I haven't tested Dreamline that far yet.
That is in no wind conditions.Those rifles had Fx or Cz barrels which are known for quality and accuracy.
I very much doubt Avenge x can be that good.
Regards Marko
In .22 the rifles i had that could average 1.5 or less were 2 Fx Streamlines,Fx Impact mk2,Royale,Kalibrgun Cricket and Vulcan 2.I haven't tested Dreamline that far yet.
That is in no wind conditions.Those rifles had Fx or Cz barrels which are known for quality and accuracy.
I very much doubt Avenge x can be that good.
Regards Marko
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100 meters? At that distance you are going to be limited by your ammo as much (or more) than your rifle. If I could reliably hit 2moa @100 meters with a pellet I would consider that fantastic accuracy, almost like a unicorn.
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Thanks to the OP for posting this question and bigger thanks to those sharing their experiences.
The biggest benefit to all is that we can get a feel for what is reasonable to expect from typical equipment.
It's nice to know what is "typical". My airguns have different performances, I just use them within their accuracy capabilities.
For cost and energy reasons, I prefer .22 caliber, it suits my needs and I'm perfectly OK with its performance. I shoot spinners and don't get too hung up on numbers
Cheers!
The biggest benefit to all is that we can get a feel for what is reasonable to expect from typical equipment.
It's nice to know what is "typical". My airguns have different performances, I just use them within their accuracy capabilities.
For cost and energy reasons, I prefer .22 caliber, it suits my needs and I'm perfectly OK with its performance. I shoot spinners and don't get too hung up on numbers
Cheers!
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I only shoot at 100 occasionally because I can't do it at home. I have to go to a range and that is nearly an hour away and a bit of a hassle. Often their are noisy PBs there. But I was still hoping for better than the ~2moa I got from my best shooting Snowpeak P35. I was shooting 21 grain H&N Baracuda Match (it's favorite). I am sure I could do better but I kind of doubt I could average much better. I was using my P35-22 which has given me one 200 score on the 30 yard challenge. It is pretty accurate but 100 yards is a long ways for an airgun I think.
I also have an Avenger, one of the original plastic stock models, not the Avenge X. The one time I remember shooting it at 100 it did a little worse than 2 MOA. Both SPA and Air Venturi are chinese manufacturers so I would be surprised if one was a lot better than the other in accuracy. From my experience with P35s I would also say that there is a range of barrels in this sort of airgun with the best being pretty darn accurate and the worst being plenty good enough to reliably take squirrels under 50 yards. Currently my range of 30 yard challenge scores with my 3 P35s is from 192 to 200 (best score not average). There are much more expensive rifles with this sort of score but there are also better scores, of course, including one by an Avenger.
I also have an Avenger, one of the original plastic stock models, not the Avenge X. The one time I remember shooting it at 100 it did a little worse than 2 MOA. Both SPA and Air Venturi are chinese manufacturers so I would be surprised if one was a lot better than the other in accuracy. From my experience with P35s I would also say that there is a range of barrels in this sort of airgun with the best being pretty darn accurate and the worst being plenty good enough to reliably take squirrels under 50 yards. Currently my range of 30 yard challenge scores with my 3 P35s is from 192 to 200 (best score not average). There are much more expensive rifles with this sort of score but there are also better scores, of course, including one by an Avenger.
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Whatever the manufacturer states. Ive never really paid attention. You have alot of variables in twist rates, as far as pellets, heavy pellets and slugs lightweight or heavy and more. I have found that it is best find out what your rifle will do with what you have at your disposal vs what you want it to do.
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A 5 mph wind at a 270 degree angle will cause almost half an inch of wind drift on my P35-25 shooting 34 grain FX pellets (from chairgun). My other airguns would drift more. 1 inch groups would require either very low wind or really good wind reading skills. It isn't unusual for wind to vary by 10 mph around here and this is one of the less windy places I have lived.
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Hi guys, I read this string and I have to disagree that these results are not achievable with good pellets/conditions. I have about 2500 pellets through my avenge x and I usually shoot at 75 yards in my yard. I am confident with consistent calm wind I can put 10 18.13 grain pellets within 1 inch consistently (avg about .75” or 1 MOA). This tells me 1.5 at 100 should be very achievable. I will confirm next day I'm at the range at 100. I’m a .22lr competitor and I have to say with minimal tuning the avenge x will hang with a $500 .22 rifle all day at 50-75 and ammo is way cheaper. The difference comes past 100 unless you want to get into heavy high bc slugs and probably.30 caliber pcp’s to compete past 100 with rimfire. I’d like to know what these posters are shooting off of. A good bi/tripod and a rear bag will make tons of improvement.
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Shot today , in the wind 100 yards. 2 different pellets on same exact tune. Hades 26.54 and the 33.95. 5 3 shot groups on each pellet, both under MOA AVERAGE
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I replied to this thread earlier. Since I have been shooting 18g JTS Dead Center pellets and I have consistently been shooting groups under 1 MOA with consistent wind under 5mph. I typically shoot between 65-85 yards and I can print a 5 shot group within 1 moa at those distances more often than not, with the average definitely under. I truly feel that the avenge x is not the reason for accuracy issues at the distances we are talking. It’s very close to my competition 22lr at those distances and at 100 the .22lr stays consistently around .75 moa where the avenge x dies fall off quickly with 18g pellets past that point. If you are truly staying under 100 yards and are shooting off a very solid position, I would feel comfortable with the avenge x
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You are seemingly not going to "buy once cry once". I favor .22lr and shoot 200 yds constantly. I'd love to do the same with air rifles but $$ is the issue. I was at a "crossroad" recently and instead of sinking cash into a cheaper gun to make it perform better, I'm gonna take that money and get a top shelf gun. Airgun accuracy boils down to quality, proper tuning and skill. I have no questions regarding an Avenge-X's capabilities but 100 yds plus will not be it's strong suit. Longer distances will be fun as long as you understand that certain limitations are working against you. If that's unacceptable, break open the piggy bank and look toward RAW, FX, Daystate and other top level brands.
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