.177 Edgun Leshiy gen 2

[wyshadow]

I went on a family vacation to Phoenix this weekend and of course I stopped by AOA. I had my eye on several short range pcp's but everyone was out of what I wanted. I stopped in at AOA on Tuesday and wanted to handle the Leshiy and the Atomic. I decided to go with the Leshiy over the Atomic for several reasons.

First is a big one: Weight. Despite the Atomic's small size, it felt very heavy. Comparing the weights on both the Leshiy and Atomic, the Atomic felt three times the weight. The Atomic has a lot of mass and some people may attribute that to durability but to me it reminded me of handling a Hatsan Bullboss. If you handled a Bullboss, you have to wonder why it's so heavy.

Second is Power: Despite the Leshiy's small size, it has almost twice the power at the Atomic. From what AOA told me, the Atomic is set 18 ft-lbs in .22 and the Leshiy can be adjusted to 20 ft-lbs for .177. For hunting situations, having a flat trajectory is what I prefer. I don't know about the .177 Atomic but AOA only had a .22 when I was there.

Third is the Cool Factor: There is nothing like the Leshiy and it being an Edgun, it's built like a tank. It feels like a small bat used by truckers.

Fourth is Cost factor: The Leshiy is slightly less then the Atomic but you are getting a pcp that you could change to different calibers if you want (I'm already thinking of a .22 barrel), the Leshiy has a wide range of power to choose from (6 ft-lbs to 30+ ft-lbs). Was told the shot count is higher on Leshiy. I'll have to test that out over the chrony.

If AOA had the Atomic in .177, my decision would have been a little harder but I think I would've still went with the Leshiy.

Fifth is Compactness: The Leshiy is tiny when folded up and un-folded it's about the same length to Atomic. The Leshiy is really cool

Ok the dislikes I have on the Leshiy after I handled it for several hours and dry fired it several times.

- I don't like the pistol grip. It feels cheap and to small for my hands. I'll have to look in to an aftermarket grip to suit my hands.

Second is the pellet exit hole. It's off when the end cap it screwed on but centers when to you loosen the cap. I haven't tested to see if this affects accuracy.

The last dislike is actually both the Leshiy and the Atomic. They are both loud but I knew this going in because they are short pcp's, and is something I'm willing to sacrifice if I wanted a short pcp.

I'm going to mount a 3-12 x 44 Discovery for now. I'm looking at maybe getting a compact BlackHound. Comparing the Discovery's and Leshiy's weight, the Leshiy feels just slightly heavier if this helps you get an idea on how light the Leshiy is.

 

[towle]

- I don't like the pistol grip. It feels cheap and to small for my hands. I'll have to look in to an aftermarket grip to suit my hands.

Second is the pellet exit hole. It's off when the end cap it screwed on but centers when to you loosen the cap. I haven't tested to see if this affects accuracy.

Congrats with you Leshiy! - yes the grip is a bit short but you can buy an extension from Carm or get one to 3D print one for you, my version is very easy to print and use the original screw

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/leshiy-classic-3d-print/#post-819961

The pellet hole exit, yes the plastic insert is fixed by the barrel but will flex a bit, keep the o-ring well oiled and back of the cap until the hole is in line again

Happy shooting!

 

[SHOMER]

 Thanks wyshadow for your middle of the road point by point review for those who may not have handed either brand first hand. And may only know of them by others pro/con photos or comments. For me the ease of L1 caliber changing going from .177 to .25 in minutes, with no forced need cost of a extra magazine is an added plus. Sure having ONE shot could be a negative for some folks, but I view it more as a means of making one a better marksmen. As for the L1 bark I've found that a little tuning to your needs and this moderator does quite well dropping the report. https://www.silentthunderordnance.com/air/leshiy 

 

[bfloyd1095]

Just a friendly heads up when it comes to swapping the grip..

MAKE DAMN SURE YOU CHECK, DOUBLE CHECK , AND CHECK IT AGAIN AS FAR AS THE BOLT LENGTH TO TIGHTEN ANY AFTERMARKET GRIP !!

Trust me you can cause catastrophic damage by assuming the jackass that made the 3D printed grip knows what the hell they are doing, MOST of the aftermarket 3D printed poop out there has NOT been cut to the same internal spacing needed for proper fitment..... I will not throw any particular , so called manufacturer under the bus because ultimately it was my fault for not double checking ....

Again just a friendly warning from someone who destroyed a perfectly good gun beyond repair ....

Enjoy your new gun !

 

[Blackpaw]

@wyshadow I can say I am with you there on the Leshiy Classic being good value for the money. Eventually, I want to get a Leshiy Classic with both 20 and 25 cal barrels.

 

[ctshooter]

For your loudness concerns check out the STO insert - it is very effective and should bring your .177 down to almost a hammer clink.

 

[wyshadow]

I just got done sighting in the scope at 20 yards and shot my first round of pellets through the Leshiy. On my first shooting session, I saw three problems with the Leshiy. First is the barrel does indeed move depending on how tight you screw down the end cap. This is a little disappointing because I was under the impression the Leshiy is suppose to be sold like a rock but POI changes by several inches at 20 yards. Second is the JSB 13.43 grain pellets deform when you close the breech. Maybe I'm using too big of a pellet and will try lighter ones. The Leshiy still groups very will at 30 yards despite the one sided bent skirts. Third is you can not use the last picatinny slot to move the scope further back. I have to stretch my head a little further forward to get a good sight picture. I may have to try a different scope with a longer eye relief

 

[Skydivingmiami]

Make sure these 2 Allen bolts are tight otherwise your barrel will be moving when you fire. I made the mistake during a barrel change to not tighten these enough and my barrel moved. When tight.. the gun is solid. 

 

[Skydivingmiami]

Also.. when you load the pellets they are supposed to be flush with the barrel. Yours are protruding out.. there's something wrong. They have to be Flush.... so you don't damage the pellet. 

 

[wyshadow]

Ok. I loaded the JSB 10.34 grain pellets and they are flush with the barrel. I was hoping the heavier 13.43 grains would've fit because I wanted to compare the Leshiy to the Huntsman. 

As for the two allen screws, they were torqued to 60 in-lbs. I went ahead and increase the torque to 65 in-lbs and will have to see if that helps the barrel.

 

[Skydivingmiami]

The pellet in your last photo looks much better. In regards to the Allen bolts, I never use a torq wrench. I just hand tight and then add 1/2 turn. 

 

[Scouty]

JSB 13.43 grain pellets deform when you close the breech. Maybe I'm using too big of a pellet and will try lighter ones. 

Can not use the last picatinny slot to move the scope further back. I have to stretch my head a little further forward to get a good sight picture. I may have to try a different scope with a longer eye relief

Regarding the pellet protruding, I did buy a Classic Leshiy used here on AGN with the barrel installed backwards. As I recall that happened to someone else as well. Makes for a very tight fit shoving the pellet into the choke.

I've had a lot of trouble getting eye relief right on the Leshiy as well. I have a Vector 3-12x44 and none of the rings or mounts in my pile are a reasonable compromise. But I can barely see the reticle below 6x so I haven't made it a priority either.

I've yet to find the perfect grip. The 3D printed one is a bit slim but fits my boys hands well. My hand is somewhere in between the first and second generation Stephen Brown grips. The 3D printed extension isn't quite right either. I would start with one of the 3D printed extensions since they're cheap and easy.

 

[towle]

... Second is the JSB 13.43 grain pellets deform when you close the breech. Maybe I'm using too big of a pellet and will try lighter ones...

Here's pictures of the JSB 13.43 Monster Red. in my Leshiy, the skirt protrude 0.4mm and there is no damage of the skirt when I close the breech, it should not be a problem in .177cal, the inner OD of o-ring is about 9mm and the hinge is offset 14mm from center of barrel so should easily swing over the skirt without damage, the skirt OD of the Monsters is 5mm so no wonder they don't fit flush to the breech

 

[ctshooter]

Hoping to add some helpful advice here for the Leshiy Classic owners.

#1 - barrel and pellet insertion - from what I recall the pellets do require a little push to sit flush in the .177 barrel, but it should not be that hard. Along with the groups you are getting I am thinking the barrel may be in backwards. Remove the barrel and try to insert a fresh pellet into each end. The muzzle end with the choke will be much harder to insert the pellet into than the breech end - I would mark the ends with a Sharpie. 

#2 - barrel movement. IMO at 60-65 in-oz you are going WAY to hard on the tightening nuts. Like was said by Leatherman - hand tight plus a an extra 1/4-1/2 turn. Nothing more should be required.

#3 - barrel alignment - from the pics you guys are posting your barrels are not really aligned properly. @towle - you're barrel appears to be too far in and @wyshadow - your barrel appears to be too far out. The proper alignment method for inserting the barrel is to insert from the breech end and leave about 1/4" sticking out. Then take a metal flat edge, like a hex driver or ruler, and lay it across the back of the breech of the barrel perpendicular to the barrel. Now use the flat edge to push the barrel the last 1/4" and align it flush with the back of the gun. Now hand tighten the screws. 

Additional tips:

As you increase the power in the Leshiy Classic it will have a tendency to want to break open at the hinge when you fire. This will be visible at your target with a tendency of the shots to pull a little to the left. Pulling the gun in tight to your shoulder helps here. 

.177 likes a bit more reg power than the .22 because of the transition between a quite large transfer port and the much smaller barrel. When I had my Leshiy Classic I spoke with Brian and he recommended 120-130 on the reg. This produces a nice quick sharp burst of air. 

Because of the offset barrel you have to pay attention to the alignment of the moderator insert when you tighten the front down. If you don't you could get clipping.

Highly recommended to quite down the Leshiy - https://www.silentthunderordnance.com/air/leshiy

 

[wyshadow]

I've shot the .177 Leshiy for the past three weeks and I have a better idea on it. In short: the Leshiy is amazing and has topped the Huntsman as my favorite PCP for now. The Huntsman is getting almost three times the shot count as the Leshiy but they are getting almost the same power. 17.64 ft-lbs for the Huntsman and 17.4 ft-lbs for the Leshiy.

The Leshiy's chrony #'s:

Shots 1-25 JSB 10.34 12 clicks CCW. Filled to 252 bar. Reg is about 115 or 110 bar.

Hi - 875

Lo - 869

Av - 871

ES - 6

SD - 0

I could get 30 shots and get little drop under 30 yards. The hammer adjustment is really nice and wish the matador was the same design. I've heard a lot of complaints on the EDMU gauge but I think its amazing. It's very accurate and the average shots on the reg is nice. The only thing I don't like is the screen turns off too fast and I wish it would turn on automatically with you start filling the tank.

5 shot group at 50 yards in zero wind

 

[towle]

I've heard a lot of complaints on the EDMU gauge but I think its amazing. It's very accurate and the average shots on the reg is nice. The only thing I don't like is the screen turns off too fast and I wish it would turn on automatically with you start filling the tank.

Nice shooting! - yes I like the EDMU too and it is programmable, I seems to remember Edgun selling a version that stays on 

Got two Classics, love them both!

 

[kelly1]

I've shot the .177 Leshiy for the past three weeks and I have a better idea on it. In short: the Leshiy is amazing and has topped the Huntsman as my favorite PCP for now. The Huntsman is getting almost three times the shot count as the Leshiy but they are getting almost the same power. 17.64 ft-lbs for the Huntsman and 17.4 ft-lbs for the Leshiy.

The Leshiy's chrony #'s:

Shots 1-25 JSB 10.34 12 clicks CCW. Filled to 252 bar. Reg is about 115 or 110 bar.

Hi - 875

Lo - 869

Av - 871

ES - 6

SD - 0

I could get 30 shots and get little drop under 30 yards. The hammer adjustment is really nice and wish the matador was the same design. I've heard a lot of complaints on the EDMU gauge but I think its amazing. It's very accurate and the average shots on the reg is nice. The only thing I don't like is the screen turns off too fast and I wish it would turn on automatically with you start filling the tank.

5 shot group at 50 yards in zero wind

keep in mind the much smaller airtube on the Lieshy

 

[Blackpaw]

@wyshadow the groups look great for a gun that is just starting to stretch its legs. When do you plan to do some presting / hunting with it?

 

[Upstate_Thermal]

Thanks for the add. Pic of my 100yd bench rest choice for NEAC last year.