Hello. Several members are into cutting cards with a pellet. I have had good consistent "luck" with my talon ss in 25 cal and my P Rod in 22 cal. But my Beeman 2027 in .177 will cut a card maybe 1 out of ten shots. I am shooting at 30 feet. I practice shooting at vertical lines with a sharpie and then cut cards. My question is what .177 pcp pistol do you have that will consistently cut a card in half? ( See photo ) I am considering a crosman 1701P? Anyone out there with a 1701 that will cut cards? Any recommendations? Thank you. Dan
.177 pcp card cutting accuracy pistol??
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That seems like a tall order, given how much .177 pellets like to deflect off a single blade of grass at field target matches.
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I don't cut cards, but I can say my 1701P is certainly accurate enough if the shooter is. I put some cocobolo wood RH Target grips on mine which really made it a fantastic little gun.
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the 1701 is indeed capable of great accuracy,fact it is about the most accurate pistol within its' shooting range .
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Yes definitely I agree with the 1701 being capable of cutting cards at 30 feet.
They are fantastic little pistols and the trigger is very nice too.
They are fantastic little pistols and the trigger is very nice too.
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The 1701p is a great pistol. Trigger is pretty darn good out of the box. Lots of aftermarket grips available. Not pellet fussy, likes every 7 or 8 grain pellet, RWS Meisterklugen 7 gr are the best. Fifty shots per fill. Max fill of 200 bar so easy to fill. Williams sights screwed right on. Bolt is easily reversed and easy to cycle.
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Thank you for the replies. I ordered a 1701P. I will let you know if I can cut cards with it.
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Keep us posted, you should love it! The biggest issue will be your ability but the pistol will do it. As "maxtrouble" said "RWS Meisterklugen 7 gr" at your distance with those pellets most every shot will at the lest hit the darn card.
With a decent scope and no with the JSB 8.4 they will hit fly's at 50M.
John
for those that dont know 1710p next to a crosman SSP250 "stevev" built.
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.177 crosman 1701P update: I ordered the 1701 yesterday on Amazon and it arrived 2 hours ago. I cleaned the barrel. I filled the air cylinder to 2800 psi and it held air as I ate dinner. I put on a scope and sighted it in on 6x at 30 feet. My 13 shots on paper for sight-in resulted with my last 2 shots hitting the vertical line. I set up the cards and fired 6 shots. I barely clipped the King of Diamonds and sliced 3 others. Very nice trigger. I have made no adjustments. The RWS pellets weigh at 8.0 grs. Avg velocity is 450 gps as stated in the owner's manual. Very happy so far. Cold and snowy here in CO tomorrow so I will get some basement shooting in.
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Very nice shooting Dan. That should provide you with countless hours of winter time enjoyment.
Try the QYS practice pellets if you get a chance. They were the most accurate pellets shot from my Crosman Challenger rifle. The domed and wad cutters shot exceptionally well. Don't buy the higher $ Olympic or Match pellets as the cheaper ones shoot just as well for what you are doing.
Is the cocking effort substantially less than your P-ROD?
Try the QYS practice pellets if you get a chance. They were the most accurate pellets shot from my Crosman Challenger rifle. The domed and wad cutters shot exceptionally well. Don't buy the higher $ Olympic or Match pellets as the cheaper ones shoot just as well for what you are doing.
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Is the cocking effort substantially less than your P-ROD?
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Crosman 1701P .177 update:
Today I shot 70 pellets at my vertical line target in preparation to shooting cards. I started at 2800 psi and ended at 1500 psi. The 1701 is on factory settings. I used RWS Hobby 7.0 pellets from a sample package. I used a Garmin xero chrony. My goal is to see the 1701 accuracy by cutting the vertical lines. Looks like I would have hit or clipped a playing card on edge 50% of my shots. I have a question on the velocity. The first line of 10 shots shows the FPS was in the 420's. The second sting of 10 was in the 440's. The 3rd string was in the 450's. The 4th and 5th strings and part of the 6th string were in the 460's. The end of the 7th string dropped into the 450's and then 440's. Why was the FPS lowest when the PSI was the highest?
Today I shot 70 pellets at my vertical line target in preparation to shooting cards. I started at 2800 psi and ended at 1500 psi. The 1701 is on factory settings. I used RWS Hobby 7.0 pellets from a sample package. I used a Garmin xero chrony. My goal is to see the 1701 accuracy by cutting the vertical lines. Looks like I would have hit or clipped a playing card on edge 50% of my shots. I have a question on the velocity. The first line of 10 shots shows the FPS was in the 420's. The second sting of 10 was in the 440's. The 3rd string was in the 450's. The 4th and 5th strings and part of the 6th string were in the 460's. The end of the 7th string dropped into the 450's and then 440's. Why was the FPS lowest when the PSI was the highest?
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That’s the way it is with unregulated guns. The velocity is in a wide bell curve. You need to plot your total shot string in relationship to your air pressure and find the tightest string and then fill to and shoot down to those pressures. This will yield lower shot count but the lowest SD high should give you more potential for the best accuracy.
Someone else can probably explain the physics better than I can. I think it’s the way the HS can overcome the cylinder’s pressure. When the tank is full, the hammer opens the valve with its highest back pressure resistance and the hammer can only open the valve a small amount. When the tank pressure drops, there is less air tank back pressure against the valve and the hammer can open the valve further yielding higher velocities, I think?
I would shoot 5 shots, record your velocity and pressure then repeat. Then plot the results in a bell curve. You are looking for the area in the curve that is the flattest. This will yield less shots but the most potential for the lowest SD and best accuracy.
Then shoot another string using those starting and ending pressures to see what your SD numbers are and how that correlates to the accuracy.
Someone else can probably explain the physics better than I can. I think it’s the way the HS can overcome the cylinder’s pressure. When the tank is full, the hammer opens the valve with its highest back pressure resistance and the hammer can only open the valve a small amount. When the tank pressure drops, there is less air tank back pressure against the valve and the hammer can open the valve further yielding higher velocities, I think?
I would shoot 5 shots, record your velocity and pressure then repeat. Then plot the results in a bell curve. You are looking for the area in the curve that is the flattest. This will yield less shots but the most potential for the lowest SD and best accuracy.
Then shoot another string using those starting and ending pressures to see what your SD numbers are and how that correlates to the accuracy.
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