Could someone tell me why crossman and company’s at that level can make 177 cal go to 20 fpe but none of the european guns make it to 20 fpe unless they are what they call highpower and generally shoot better above 20 fpe than they do @ 20?
177’s @ 18 fpe
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In the UK, one must have a FAC (Fire Arm Cert) Certification in order fo shoot over the 12 ft/lb FPE limit, probably tough/headache to acquire one.
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lot of EU countries have a 12 FPE limit on Air power , unless the person gets a license =FAC for higher power , then that person is registered and must have a high power license in their possession when shooting high power .
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I wonder if the 20 fpe max rule in FT has any influence. I can see where they might want to allow some margin for error in pushing the limit. Either way, 18 or 20 fpe is FAC level so I don't see that as a factor for an 18 fpe max.
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20 FPE in FT is to protect targets from damage . Also keeps the power the same for all shooters .
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I believe that England is the only country (and they are no longer a part of EU
) that has got a sub-12 FPE limit for airguns In Germany it is 7.5 Joules and in Sweden it is 10 Joules - other countries there are no limit
I am shooting my .177 airguns up to 38 FPE here in Denmark - Higher calibers than .177 and you need a hunting license, but no power restrictions !
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thanks , i stand corrected .I believe that England is the only country (and they are no longer a part of EU
In Germany it is 7.5 Joules and in Sweden it is 10 Joules - other countries there are no limit
I am shooting my .177 airguns up to 38 FPE here in Denmark - Higher calibers than .177 and you need a hunting license, but no power restrictions !
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Nearly ALL of Europe traditionally played AIR GUN for fun or competition at 12 fpe or less, that has changed in more recent years best i understand.
USA in the past did similar with a slight bump to sub 20 fpe in some competition venues.
While there has always been higher power AG's there use and application is far outside mass uses & thus very low manufactured quantities.
Then there is the ballistics of pellets & in MANY instances Faster or more power is not necessarily better ... especially spring piston guns.
Much more to this ... but that conversation has happened over & over & over again.
USA in the past did similar with a slight bump to sub 20 fpe in some competition venues.
While there has always been higher power AG's there use and application is far outside mass uses & thus very low manufactured quantities.
Then there is the ballistics of pellets & in MANY instances Faster or more power is not necessarily better ... especially spring piston guns.
Much more to this ... but that conversation has happened over & over & over again.
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Understood. But my speculation was whether the FT rule has any effect on the makers' tuning, in which case I can understand where tuning to 18 would make sense.
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Well more to my point a 18 fpe gun seems to me gennerally not shoot 13.4 gr to 18 fpe and a high power gun seems to prefer 16 gr and not push 13 to its best accuracy. Worst of all is 8&10 gr pellets seem to vary greatly in head size and weight pellet to pellet wich also causes accuracy loss
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Welcome to the world of advertising !! the use of a light pellet to advertise 1200 FPE , too light for a constant stability but it fly's @ 1200 .
Which is why most of us say to use a heavy pellet in such guns , lowers the speed but stabilizes the flight better .
Which is why most of us say to use a heavy pellet in such guns , lowers the speed but stabilizes the flight better .
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That's a catch 22, the UK power law was introduced to keep the UK manufacturer in the game. Too much higher power stuff coming in from Europe.I believe that England is the only country (and they are no longer a part of EU
In Germany it is 7.5 Joules and in Sweden it is 10 Joules - other countries there are no limit
I am shooting my .177 airguns up to 38 FPE here in Denmark - Higher calibers than .177 and you need a hunting license, but no power restrictions !
True. Probably 30 years before Brexit.Russian guys are limited to 3 joules until you pass a fac test.
It's a minefield
.I'm often grateful for what I have. Freedom.
One day FAC, next UK competition style, over winter German 10m limits.
That's the hobby.
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If you are refering to the HW97 and RWS 34 making 14-16 fpe at full power. Those heavy .177 pellets are a fairly recent developement. They were developed when 7 to 8 grains was a standard for .177. Most have better accuracy when velocities are kept subsonic. The cheap rifles advertise high velocities with super light pellets just to get quick sales.
Those who need more than 20 fpe are generally better off with a bigger caliber.
Those who need more than 20 fpe are generally better off with a bigger caliber.
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