2024 TEXtreme Field Target STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS Match Announcement

[AirNGasman]

Friends,

All information pertaining to the 2024 TEXtreme Republic Of Texas Field Target STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS is attached below. Feel free to contact me for clarifications, or about anything I might have neglected to cover in that package of information attached at the bottom of this post.

See Y'all Then,
Ron & Maggyy

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[zx10wall]

I’m looking forward to it

 

[cavedweller]

Friends,

All information pertaining to the 2024 TEXtreme Republic Of Texas Field Target STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS is attached below. Feel free to contact me for clarifications, or about anything I might have neglected to cover in that package of information attached at the bottom of this post.

See Y'all Then,
Ron & Maggyy

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When do you publish target type and distance?

 

[AirNGasman]

When do you publish target type and distance?

I publish the target distances soon as I get the courses set up, CD. That's usually between a week and a day before any given EFT match; usually depending on several factors, sometimes beyond my control.

However your question reminds me I might have stated in the match announcement that the rifle target distances at the State Championships would be 30 to 100 yards; that's incorrect (already). In resetting the pistol and rifle courses for harder difficulties, Elmo has already moved in closer to 20 yards than 30.

 

[cavedweller]

I publish the target distances soon as I get the courses set up, CD. That's usually between a week and a day before any given EFT match; usually depending on several factors, sometimes beyond my control.

However your question reminds me I might have stated in the match announcement that the rifle target distances at the State Championships would be 30 to 100 yards; that's incorrect (already). In resetting the pistol and rifle courses for harder difficulties, Elmo has already moved in closer to 20 yards than 30.

Being an ol navy specwar guy “we run simulations”, meaning I’d setup a simulation course at home - minus Maggie of course.

 

[Motorhead]

Being an ol navy specwar guy “we run simulations”, meaning I’d setup a simulation course at home - minus Maggie of course. That would not be fair at all IMO .... everyone shows up at any given event and shoots it for the first time !!

That would honestly not be fair IMO .... as competitors need to all have any course be a First time experience to have an even playing field even if ranges are given ( At time of event )

We have a club out west that uses the same basic layout of lanes year after year. We get told no one has shot the course prior, but year after year having the locals who put on said event being top scorers is somewhat souring having many feel there is indeed some home course advantage being the lane placements don't change only a minor amount of distance shifting happening. These individuals shoot this basic layout near weekly. Just sayin ...

 

[Franklink]

That would honestly not be fair IMO .... as competitors need to all have any course be a First time experience to have an even playing field even if ranges are given ( At time of event )

I respectfully disagree Scott. What cavedweller is talking about is, in my opinion, practice. If the target distances are e posted publicly, like Ron said he'll do, anybody can put in the work and effort to shoot those distances beforehand at his house.

It's hard to believe in the American Dream these days, but I still like the idea behind it, that those who work harder can get ahead. It's not life in this case, just a fun airgun competition. But if Rudy is willing to go through the effort and invest the time, the same way anybody could also do, I see no problems with that. In fact, I'd hope the winner is a guy who DID go the extra mile by dedicating time to practice and get to know his gun.

As to home court advantage, I agree completely. Shooting the same course before the completion, at the same location where the course will take place is an unfair advantage. Anybody who has shot the course understands what the wind tends to do, how it swirls around a particular large strip of brush, or runs down the berm, etc. And those who haven't shot that course in that location simply don't know those tendencies. That's not practice, that's unfair advantage.

 

[Motorhead]

Not a dispute on practice as to shoot well we all should practice .... But MATCHES need to be new to all on placement & size ... IMO.

 

[Franklink]

Help me understand your view Scott....if he shoots at paper at home at those distances it's practice, but if he shoots at field targets at home at those distances it's unfair advantage?

Now, if Ron only sent the distances of the targets to Rudy before hand....but Ron said he posts them publicly.

This is long range ft, with posted distances.

This is a thing for me because I had somebody (absurdly) state that I only do well at matches because I practice so much. Yeah, duh.

I confirm my trajectory at 5 yard increments for high power long range field target. I call it practice, that guy thought it was somehow cheating.

 

[Motorhead]

Shared my opinion from a Competitors as well match Directors viewpoint ... I'm done.

 

[cavedweller]

That would honestly not be fair IMO .... as competitors need to all have any course be a First time experience to have an even playing field even if ranges are given ( At time of event )

We have a club out west that uses the same basic layout of lanes year after year. We get told no one has shot the course prior, but year after year having the locals who put on said event being top scorers is somewhat souring having many feel there is indeed some home course advantage being the lane placements don't change only a minor amount of distance shifting happening. These individuals shoot this basic layout near weekly. Just sayin ...

That's a good point, and it's also one of the things that makes EFT differ from HFT in that, from what i've seen to date, they publish distances and KZ sizes ahead of time.
I don't know who the brain is that controls setup variations in target size and distances (meaning is it a EFT sponsor or the local land owner / club?).
It is still a very new shooting event overall, and to date, i have only attended one in leesburg Florida.
In HFT, I've always thought that the home court advantage was a THING simply because homies learn the landmarks (memorized) them, for ranging.

 

[Motorhead]

Home court is more a Wind Read thing and how it reacts within the environment coming from different directions and speeds etc ...
Being wind doping ( When wind is present ) kinda trumps ranging prowess and if you have inside knowledge there ... you have a distinct advantage IMO.

 

[Centercut]

I agree with Scott @Motorhead It’s similar to playing on your home golf course compared to someone that comes to play from out of town. If you’ve played the course 50 times, you know where to hit with familiar wind conditions. I don’t think anyone would say it’s not an advantage, however it’s a minor advantage at best. Plus, I’m not sure how with set lanes on an EFT course how it could be changed other than minor changes in distance and KZ variations?
I’ve shot Ron’s course 4 times in the past couple of years and it’s the best EFT course that’s I’ve had the pleasure to shoot.

 

[scotton]

Just to help even the playing field, I'll give some inside information about Ron's place. Lanes 1 and 2, the wind will usually blow from the road, except when it doesn't. Lanes 6 and 7, there are wind flags in the trees. Half of them will lie most of the time, and they all contradict each other. Only one is accurate, but I never can remember which one. Lanes 8 and 9, you can get your wind call from the grass OR the cedar trees. Not both, they will be moving in opposite directions at different yardages, so Coriolis effect will come into play. Also, the sight-in range is 90 degrees to the direction of fire for the lanes, so you will get no useful information at sight in.

My point is, I don't have any problem with giving out the distances beforehand for a known-distance match. Getting the distances a week before or a day before or the morning of, who cares? It's a wind game, not a dope or range finding game. The only useful practice for Ron's match would be shooting the pistol match to try to figure the wind out.

 

[Franklink]

Just to help even the playing field, I'll give some inside information about Ron's place. Lanes 1 and 2, the wind will usually blow from the road, except when it doesn't. Lanes 6 and 7, there are wind flags in the trees. Half of them will lie most of the time, and they all contradict each other. Only one is accurate, but I never can remember which one. Lanes 8 and 9, you can get your wind call from the grass OR the cedar trees. Not both, they will be moving in opposite directions at different yardages, so Coriolis effect will come into play. Also, the sight-in range is 90 degrees to the direction of fire for the lanes, so you will get no useful information at sight in.

My point is, I don't have any problem with giving out the distances beforehand for a known-distance match. Getting the distances a week before or a day before or the morning of, who cares? It's a wind game, not a dope or range finding game. The only useful practice for Ron's match would be shooting the pistol match to try to figure the wind out.

Yep, that sounds a whole lot like every field target match I've ever shot. Working out and KNOWING where your gun shoots at x yards beforehand being an unfair advantage is a strange concept to me.

 

[Motorhead]

Yep, that sounds a whole lot like every field target match I've ever shot. Working out and KNOWING where your gun shoots at x yards beforehand being an unfair advantage is a strange concept to me.

If your a prepared FT shooter you have good dope for all the distances .... SO PRACTICE the Accuracy of your dope & correct whats lacking just like the rest of us do !!!
Given the distances & tested dope getting trajectory to fall vertically on the mark is a slam dunk !! So it is a Wind Game if its blowing making argument a weak one at best IMO.

 

[cavedweller]

If your a prepared FT shooter you have good dope for all the distances .... SO PRACTICE the Accuracy of your dope & correct whats lacking just like the rest of us do !!!
Given the distances & tested dope getting trajectory to fall vertically on the mark is a slam dunk !! So it is a Wind Game if its blowing making argument a weak one at best IMO.

Indeed, the wind is my master!!

 

[AirNGasman]

No-one enjoys advantage(s) by knowing the nature of the winds at Ranchito Robinson; because besides the winds usually being higher than forecasts for my area, they also are usually very gusty, and swirling from any and all directions through and around the heavy cover, out-buildings, and open areas differently from one moment to the next. Even the Terminator could not read wind conditions at Ranchito Robinson with any degree of accuracy; even if he shot the same course every day here.

FW(ever)IW, about the only time I shoot the actual targets on the actual lanes is when I test the targets for function in real-match conditions. Also FW(ever)IW, any ill-perceived home-turf advantage is MORE than lost for the guy that does 95% the work to stage these competitions.

I have it on good authority, albeit not the most CREDIBLE authority, that that guy is usually fatigued by the time his competitions begin; and totally spent by the time they conclude.

I understand he also chooses to shoot with considerable equipment disadvantages by using practical, hunting-capable equipment. Something about some nonsense that he originally took up FT and Silhouette competitions primarily to improve his hunting-related shooting skills, remains stuck in that same groove forty years on, so accepting equipment disadvantages in hunting-type shooting competitions is his take on Reality.

By the way, I also have it on the same, not the most CREDIBLE authority that the TEXtreme Airgun Sports EFT rifle and pistol courses are undergoing 'substantial' changes for the State Championships 'alluded to' in this thread. Unfortunately, aforementioned not the most CREDIBLE authority is being very coy about said changes , obstinately refusing to reveal ANY details about same.

However, knowing him (all too well), I suspect he's making the rifle and pistol courses considerably EASIER.

Ummm... you might not want to quote me on that.

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[Motorhead]

So wished I lived closer !!! Dancing at the ranch would be fun in the Texas sun no doubt

 

[Centercut]

Yikes! I have it on reliable sources that said MD was about done with winning scores being in the 98 to 100% range. And wanted it to be more reasonably difficult and in the 90% or so winning and top scores. The problem I see here is that those TC wascally wabbits DW and CD will probably come close to clearing the course no matter what is done….

Word on the street is that said MD was also looking to go big power with .30 caliber at just under 100 fpe…Don’t need to hit no stinkin’ KZ with that kinda power….