.22 LR vs .22 slug

[delooper]

Did you say any air rifle? Meet the MCAR 45 cal it will outperform your good .22 in every way. Air guns have been around long before PB and there are some that can be fired today, may not be the oldest but older than your Marlin. It's all in how it's been maintained.

Well it depends on your "performance" computation. If you include price of ammo, then 457 slugs are near 10x as expensive as 22LR.

 

[Firewalker]

The power of airguns is approaching and exceeding powder based guns on a daily basis. When the projectiles are bullets (slugs) and the velocity is similar, the physics are also similar. When firing bullets, be certain of your backstop.

So you reiterated what you've already posted.

 

[WobblyHand]

Well it depends on your "performance" computation. If you include price of ammo, then 457 slugs are near 10x as expensive as 22LR.

What if you cast the 457's? If I was shooting 457 I'd be casting them... I cast 22's as well. Pretty easy.

 

[delooper]

What if you cast the 457's? If I was shooting 457 I'd be casting them... I cast 22's as well. Pretty easy.

It's around a 9:1 weight ratio between a 457 and 22 slug, and we basically pay for lead by weight.

 

[357cal]

Mike makes the best airguns in the world. I used to own one.
However, he is the only one in the world who makes an airgun system that can compete with an Unlimited RF rifle shooting first class ammo. And, even so, I don't know if Mike's system would be competitive at the ARA or PSL level.
I also believe that availability trumps price as a determining factor in choosing between an Unlimited RF rifle and an airgun. There are numerous quality gunsmiths that can assemble a competitive Unlimited rifle from readily available parts (except for Shilen Barrels) in a few months or less. Mike is the sole maker of Thomas airguns and the wait time reflects that reality.
The one true airgun advantage is ammo. RF rifles live and die on the vagaries of ammunition availability. With an airgun, once you find the perfect slug and secure a swage, you're home free.

I would really enjoy competing at ARA level with an airgun but I'm not sure I'll live that long.

JackHughs

what was not mentioned is regulator in a PCP rifle can provide a significant accuracy advantage by ensuring consistent shot performance, which is something that rimfire rifles cannot achieve to the same extent due to their reliance on ammunition consistency.

 

[357cal]

What if you cast the 457's? If I was shooting 457 I'd be casting them... I cast 22's as well. Pretty eas

What if you cast the 457's? If I was shooting 457 I'd be casting them... I cast 22's as well. Pretty easy.

May I ask why are you comparing a 457 slug to .22? is that a comparison of that of a .22 rimfire?

 

[JackHughs]

what was not mentioned is regulator in a PCP rifle can provide a significant accuracy advantage by ensuring consistent shot performance, which is something that rimfire rifles cannot achieve to the same extent due to their reliance on ammunition consistency.

The combination of a quality regulator and easily adjusted hammer strike can result in very small MV extreme spreads and SD's. However, there is no universal cause and effect relationship in either PB's or AIrguns between the lowest ES and SD and best accuracy.

JackHughs

 

[WobblyHand]

It's around a 9:1 weight ratio between a 457 and 22 slug, and we basically pay for lead by weight.

So what. You can recover the lead, re-melt and cast again. If you miss a lot, well, that's a different story...

 

[WobblyHand]

@357cal said: May I ask why are you comparing a 457 slug to .22? is that a comparison of that of a .22 rimfire?

I'm only saying you can cast both of them. I didn't bring up 457s, someone else did. A 457 cleans the clock (power wise) of a 22... LR or air slug.

 

[delooper]

So what. You can recover the lead, re-melt and cast again. If you miss a lot, well, that's a different story...

Okay, but we're bringing in a lot of assumptions. The kind of hunting I do, the lead is almost never recoverable.

 

[357cal]

Not here , just as illegal because im within 500 ft of other peoples buildings.

same here , 500ft and anything 600 fps and above you can't shoot in your yard when living in a village.

 

[357cal]

The combination of a quality regulator and easily adjusted hammer strike can result in very small MV extreme spreads and SD's. However, there is no universal cause and effect relationship in either PB's or AIrguns between the lowest ES and SD and best accuracy.

JackHughs

I feel the regulator when set at a certain psi will give you an advantage in acracy. I use an inline to help tune my big bores.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

I considered a PCP for months. My HW97k and HW95 are running out of gas past 70 yards and i want to shoot farther. I totaled up a budget and had a long talk with myself on the pros and cons of pellet rifles.

Instead of a PCP and a compressor (etc., etc.) I bought a CZ457 and a Tikka T1x. I couldn't decide on one so I bought both. I have a whopping $1800 bucks into the project and both rifles will land them within MOA with the CCI SV available at Wal Mart for ten cents a pop.

The Tikka is only 37" long and fully dressed with a bipod it's less than 7 lbs. It will smack a shotgun shell at 165 yards almost every time. It's the best darn thing since cookies and milk. The CZ is every bit as accurate and nearly as short and light. I'm not sure which one I like best.

I can carry them in the brush and strap them to a mule and not worry about it. I can go fishing for a week and never worry about air. I can get ammo in any town big enough to support a gas pump. The initial outlay is much less and the cost per shot is comparable to airgun slugs with the same ballistics.

The PCP rifles are cool and shoot lights out. But I just can't justify the cost and complexity. They bridge a very narrow gap between a springer and a centerfire and that gap (for me) is best filled with an accurate rimfire rifle.