.25 Heavy pellet problem for guns with Poly barrels
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I ordered several tins of both varieties last summer from Pyramid. From what I can tell so far (as I haven't opened every tin yet) I got two different pellets, exactly as how they ought to be. Sorry to hear about you other guys that didn't.
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Thanks Bill. So far we have 5 or 6 that have sent emails to JSB directly since Predator International doesn’t recognize it as a problem, despite all the posts and photos on this forum.
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Jsb pellets vary in skirt style mainly inner skirt depth all weights,styles and calibers etc. get out your calipers and measure from top of skirt to inner pocket depth you will see what I mean, it will effect seating depth with pin probe style seating. Check out the Thomas adjustable style seating probe it’s there for a reason!
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I’m 99% sure that there is supposed to be a difference between the .25 King Heavy and the Mk2. If not, they wouldn’t make both...? Cavity depth only affects seating depth in guns with pin probes...
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My understanding is the MKIs have a larger skirt diameter and a thinner skirt, as well as a deeper cavity. In some airguns this is a significant difference, affecting accuracy.
Side note after I received my email from JSB I also was copied on an email from someone at Predator International. I was promised replacement of these wrong pellets. I have no confirmation that is occurring. The P E email only says Thank you for the update. I would have contacted the vendor I bought from but A.E. Swede is out of business and my emails were returned as undeliverable.
Jim
Side note after I received my email from JSB I also was copied on an email from someone at Predator International. I was promised replacement of these wrong pellets. I have no confirmation that is occurring. The P E email only says Thank you for the update. I would have contacted the vendor I bought from but A.E. Swede is out of business and my emails were returned as undeliverable.
Jim
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That’s great. But in reality that does nothing for the long running issue of JSBs poor quality control with the .25 Heavy pellet versions.
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Centercut I agree. I don't know what happened, or how often. I get the impression the importer is taking it seriously. I think we will have to see how this works itself out.
Jim
Jim
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FWIW, it has apparently been happening since at least October of last year.
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/is-jsb-heavy-mki-now-jsbheavy-mkii/
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/is-jsb-heavy-mki-now-jsbheavy-mkii/
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Jim, you’re correct. Let’s see if it’s fixed over the next couple of months. Thanks for leading the way...
NT, yes, this has been going on even further back than that. In 2017 I got 4 tins of Mk2 that were Mk1s.
NT, yes, this has been going on even further back than that. In 2017 I got 4 tins of Mk2 that were Mk1s.
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@M63Ural That's what had heard also about them making for other companies which is what confuses me, there is a noticeable difference in the look of the FX. The pellets I received were smoother, cleaner and more uniform. They looked even better than the higher priced RangeMasters Trenier sells that are supposed to be more match grade pellets.
I agree Mike, for the majority of us our tolerance for wrong or messed up pellets can be pretty flexible and I also believe the people that need to know may not be aware how far the issue has gone.
I agree Mike, for the majority of us our tolerance for wrong or messed up pellets can be pretty flexible and I also believe the people that need to know may not be aware how far the issue has gone.
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RickRick I have read on other sites, and on other threads here that the FX, Daystate, and AA pellets are made on dies specifically for their pellets. I also like the finish and look of the FX better than the JSB. I have not handled the other 2.
I have also read that the quality control may be different. All I know for sure is that my Dad's .22 likes the JSB 18s as much as it likes the FXs. Makes me happy, cuz I'm about out of the FXs. Your results may vary.
Jim
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Wow, 4 years. That's embarassing. I'll be honest, I was thinking no way JSB has been so negligent for so long. In fact I thought I had a tin of the originals from sometime in 2018 but I just dug it out and it's marked May 2016 (from Pyramyd Air).
So that makes me wonder have they really been shipping nothing but MKII for 4 years now? Or is it that they have been routinely mis-labeling them in a sort of haphazard way for 4 years, and it's basically a lottery as to what you're going to get?
Either way, it's not a good look.
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Agree. I know it sounds odd, but what other explanation is there? Apparently the workers packing them don’t know the difference, and the QC is non-existent. I’ve even heard of tins of .25 Heavy with MIXED pellets in one tin. It seems when you order JSB .25 Heavy pellets you’re rolling the dice on what you’ll actually receive.
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If you are the only pellet maker in the world that makes anything good and you can easily sell every pellet you press no matter how many you make....how attentive do you need to be to a few guys that buy little and complain a lot?
In the overall picture...competition shooters are a very tiny piece of the pie...and the hardest to please. Doesn’t really look like a good position to leverage from.
Mike
In the overall picture...competition shooters are a very tiny piece of the pie...and the hardest to please. Doesn’t really look like a good position to leverage from.
Mike
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Mike, have you read the posts? We’re not complaining about the quality of the pellets. We’re complaining that we’re not getting what we paid for. If you bought a specific item, took it home then opened the box, and the box said one thing but the item inside was something different, you’d be disappointed right? It’s the “packaging” QC that we’re bringing to the attention of the manufacturer. Hope that makes sense? I know if I was Pavel I’d want to know if my company was having QC issues...
Mike
Mike
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Yes, I read them.
I’ve gotten cases of pellets with a particular die number on them that were no where near the same pellet as what I tested with the same number. That was likely a mix up in the factory.
If you carefully inspect 20 different die numbers of 8.4s...you can easily see with your naked eye many, many differences in what is supposed to be the same pellet.
I don’t buy many .25 caliber pellets, but I’m sure that they don’t have only one machine and die running them. I’m also sure that if they have 50 different dies, they are likely to be just as varied as the 8.4s and 13.4s that I have a lot of experience with.
Getting a particular pellet from them once is no guarantee that you will ever see one like it again.
They have a very broad tolerance for what they call a certain pellet...and I mean really broad. Every single dimension or feature could be significantly different....and this is for pellets like the 8.4 or 13.4 for which they only sell one model. If you looked at them you would think there were 30 different models. They are seriously that different.
For the majority of their customers it will never matter.
You may have got exactly what you paid for...it’s just that the specs and tolerances are broad enough that the two models somewhat overlap.
Mike
I’ve gotten cases of pellets with a particular die number on them that were no where near the same pellet as what I tested with the same number. That was likely a mix up in the factory.
If you carefully inspect 20 different die numbers of 8.4s...you can easily see with your naked eye many, many differences in what is supposed to be the same pellet.
I don’t buy many .25 caliber pellets, but I’m sure that they don’t have only one machine and die running them. I’m also sure that if they have 50 different dies, they are likely to be just as varied as the 8.4s and 13.4s that I have a lot of experience with.
Getting a particular pellet from them once is no guarantee that you will ever see one like it again.
They have a very broad tolerance for what they call a certain pellet...and I mean really broad. Every single dimension or feature could be significantly different....and this is for pellets like the 8.4 or 13.4 for which they only sell one model. If you looked at them you would think there were 30 different models. They are seriously that different.
For the majority of their customers it will never matter.
You may have got exactly what you paid for...it’s just that the specs and tolerances are broad enough that the two models somewhat overlap.
Mike
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I see your point, and it makes sense. But in this case there is enough of a difference that it unlikely a tolerance issue.
I’d compare it to buying .22 RD Monsters and .22 Monsters. If one had ordered a sleeve of RDMonsters, and then when he opened the tins that were labeled RD Monsters but there were regular Monsters that would be unsatisfactory. Some guns shoot one, some shoot the other... but if yours shoots one and you ordered that one and the packaging said that one but inside was the other... not good.
I’d compare it to buying .22 RD Monsters and .22 Monsters. If one had ordered a sleeve of RDMonsters, and then when he opened the tins that were labeled RD Monsters but there were regular Monsters that would be unsatisfactory. Some guns shoot one, some shoot the other... but if yours shoots one and you ordered that one and the packaging said that one but inside was the other... not good.
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