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Great information. I will try this “mirror method“ on my long range .22 rimfire target rifle. I would like to caution newbies, that these “barrel cockers” are not target guns. To many variables with the moving barrel in front of the scope. Not to mention the erratic firing behavior. IMHO. I’ll just plink with mine. Certainly a good method for any target or fixed barrel gun. Just dont want to send the wrong message to a beginner. Springers are great for their purpose and make us better shooters because they never stop challenging us. For what it’s worth. Thank you.
 
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Bear-of-Grayling said:
Great information. I will try this “mirror method“ on my long range .22 rimfire target rifle. I would like to caution newbies, that these “barrel cockers” are not target guns. To many variables with the moving barrel in front of the scope. Not to mention the erratic firing behavior. IMHO. I’ll just plink with mine. Certainly a good method for any target or fixed barrel gun. Just dont want to send the wrong message to a beginner. Springers are great for their purpose and make us better shooters because they never stop challenging us. For what it’s worth. Thank you.
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i know a man from the gta who used to often post 100yd groups with a .177 tx200 that were around 1.5" so they are capable,
but!

he was a 9ball shooter that put alot of time,dedication and practice into shooting springers.


i use this method with my pcp's,
but it works with any gun/scope combination,
who wouldnt want their shots to drop in line with the crosshair instead of drifting off to the side? lol
 
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starlingassn said:
im not understanding exactly what you're asking.

but no,
just because you have previously set your scope level to level with a plumb line it does not mean it will be centered to the bore,
the mirror will show you the way lol
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this method does not have anything to do with adjusting the turrets.

this is just for getting the reticle lined up,
after that youll still have to sight in
starlingassn said:
im not understanding exactly what you're asking.

but no,
just because you have previously set your scope level to level with a plumb line it does not mean it will be centered to the bore,
the mirror will show you the way lol
:cool:

this method does not have anything to do with adjusting the turrets.

this is just for getting the reticle lined up,
after that youll still have to sight in normally.
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Gotcha ,it's a manual adjustment with the turning of the body of the scope to line up the crosshairs to a plumb lin'e with no turret adjustments needed.At this point the truth comes out as far as alignment ! I'm hoping this will improve my accuracy on my springers and my PCP's .Did I mention pcp in the trad forum? Oops...lol
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Here is my crude exaggerated, drawing on what is going on if your barrel is not lined up with your receiver
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UncleB said:
Here is my crude exaggerated, drawing on what is going on if your barrel is not lined up with your receiverView attachment 376899
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This is exactly right. When the barrel isn't aligned with the receiver and scope you'll only have a single place your zero is correct.

If you mirror method and plumb the scope first and then align barrel to the centered plumb scope the barrel will be directly below the bore if you use rings that properly center the scope on the receiver.

Zeroing the scope at the furthest distance is probably the easiest way to mitigate a slightly bent barrel. That would keep any errors on one side of the reticle. You would have to do it in a dead calm because pellets drift in the slightest wind over long distances.

I prefer to check the barrel angle as I explained earlier at two different distances. If it's zeroed at 10 and 30 it'll still be zeroed at 50.

Bent barrels in Weihrauchs are very common. Here's a doozy someone sent me. It was an almost new 35E

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starlingassn said:
i know a man from the gta who used to often post 100yd groups with a .177 tx200 that were around 1.5" so they are capable,
but!

he was a 9ball shooter that put alot of time,dedication and practice into shooting springers.


i use this method with my pcp's,
but it works with any gun/scope combination,
who wouldnt want their shots to drop in line with the crosshair instead of drifting off to the side? lol
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tx200 is a fixed barrel underlever cocking gun so is HW97 and HW77 all target capable
 
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You can do this to check cant
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At 50 feet. Hold crosshair on the dot the using hold under or over each mil dot if you poi walks diagonally its canted . Notice how top 3 on line but lower i holdunder it drifts left . The the bottom on the line + one of the 3 top on line is after i rolled / releveled for the correction.. just be sure the card/ line is straight vertical unlike my picture ..lol

Anyway if your croshair hits and your higher or lowest hold over / under hits its stright if it drifts off left or right its canted

Another thing i notice is at low power the front sight is dead on the croshair / straight down the barrel..
 
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Hateful McNasty said:
You can do this to check cant
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At 50 feet. Hold crosshair on the dot the using hold under or over each mil dot if you poi walks diagonally its canted . Notice how top 3 on line but lower i holdunder it drifts left . The the bottom on the line + one of the 3 top on line is after i rolled / releveled for the correction.. just be sure the card/ line is straight vertical unlike my picture ..lol

Anyway if your croshair hits and your higher or lowest hold over / under hits its stright if it drifts off left or right its canted

Another thing i notice is at low power the front sight is dead on the croshair / straight down the barrel..
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Shooters Cant..? Nothing mechanical like scope to receiver ..An error on the shooters part Cant?
 
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Joedirt199 said:
Just checked all of mine with the mirror method and they were all canted ever so slightly off line with the barrel. Explains why my shots are left at short distance, on at zero and right at long distance. Will have to confirm later to see if the shots fall more inline with the barrel now.
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Yea get back here with your results when your able to mirror method your scope to bore .I had some good results today after I did and was lucky there was no wind here today .Now if I could keep my heart rate down enogh to keep the dang POA steady..Coffee can be a shooters worst nightmare lol
 
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I had several lone star scope level bubbles so now the scopes are leveled to my always hanging plumb bob. Usually I would just get comfortable behind the scope and level the optic to the plumb bob. Figured that was how I would be shooting it in the field. Guess I just assumed they were level with the gun. Even with checking the scope rails there is some cant compared to a leveled scope. I have some PB supressors to tune coming tomorrow so a trip to the range is in the cards for the weekend.
 
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Ace1969 said:
Shooters Cant..? Nothing mechanical like scope to receiver ..An error on the shooters part Cant?
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Scope . Levels aint 100%true or just rolled in the ring tighting down . Level starts from the ground up .😉.

This can help train on shooter canting

Cant cante device
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Old level vial glued on , cheap, easy ,works 😉
 
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Hateful McNasty said:
Scope . Levels aint 100%true or just rolled in the ring tighting down . Level starts from the ground up .😉.

This can help train on shooter canting

Cant cante device
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Old level vial glued on , cheap, easy ,works 😉
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Gotcha ..yea I use the same method but I put the level on the barrel block where the rear sights would reside.Starlingassasin method of scope to bore mirror method is a real eye opener though as I tried it and my drift at 50 seems to have gotten a lot better, albeit the occasional flyer that leaves me scratching my head? I'm narrowing it down and I catch myself by the 3rd grouping shot hoding the rifle way too aggressive and will Cant the rifle causing it to shoot low and to the right since I'm a lefty..lol Had some mixed results with the R9 yesterday as I tested 3 types of pellets ..barracuda 15 , Jsb hades ,and fx atomics at 65 yards ..barracuda were 1inch to 1nch half..Hades stacked 2 on top of each other and a weird flyer hence my suspicion of me grip canting the rifle.Fx atomics same result as hades.
 
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Ace1969 said:
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Me.. if my hold is true. And i do that "check" at 50' or 10m. If the center , the high spot ( top hold point on vertical hair) and low spot ( lowest hold point of croshair). All hit true on the vertical line target you can say its stright and not canted , but if the top hit is right and low is left for example the croshair is cocked / canted . Then needs to be corrected by as simple as rolling it slightly counter clockwise ..

Sadly im better at showing on hand things then telling.. but i think you'll see where im going on that . Most times i get off level tighting the caps and cause a slight roll of the scope .. as hard as i try to tighten the cap screws even in sequence.. lol
 
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