.30 Cal Dilemma

Yes, for 3-4 times the cost it should be all those things. Some people don't have the money for an FX or AGT, some of us are just cheap bastiges and won't spend that on a pellet gun.

is there room for improvement in hatsan guns, of course, but those cost money. Where they sit they offer a lot of gun for their price. Bullmaster is $429 this week. Find me another semiauto at 3 times that price.

But the haters are working from old information. No amount of current empirical data will ever change their minds.

You mean #24,
Cmon down to Oakland and you can shoot them. Nothing made up, just current empirical data.

But why would you call me a liar? I told you specific problems with my guns, was that made up too? I even asked for any information from the last 18 months that was contrary.
WHERE in this thread did @Motorhead call you a LIAR? I can't find it. Maybe you should reread & reevaluate. That's kind of offensive in my mind. We DO get to express opinions here, don't we? I see no name calling here but if you state an untruth about someone what does that make YOU?
 
WHERE in this thread did @Motorhead call you a LIAR? I can't find it. Maybe you should reread & reevaluate. That's kind of offensive in my mind. We DO get to express opinions here, don't we? I see no name calling here but if you state an untruth about someone what does that make YOU?
Claimed i "made up" the information I posted about my 4 Hatsan Semiauto.

So, what would you call that if not calling me a liar. Maybe you should reread what he wrote?

Then he ran away claiming I was trolling by asking him why he called me a liar and offering to let him prove to himself I wasn't lying.

Anything else I can help with?
 
Claimed i "made up" the information I posted about my 4 Hatsan Semiauto.

So, what would you call that if not calling me a liar. Maybe you should reread what he wrote?

Then he ran away claiming I was trolling by asking him why he called me a liar and offering to let him prove to himself I wasn't lying.

Anything else I can help with?
Some of us have owned Hatsan and been burned by the crap they've put out in the past and have moved on. If you enjoy them have at it but many people have had issues including myself. Yes was in the past but have no interest in going back when plenty of other better choices out there.
 
Some of us have owned Hatsan and been burned by the crap they've put out in the past and have moved on. If you enjoy them have at it but many people have had issues including myself. Yes was in the past but have no interest in going back when plenty of other better choices out there.
Yup. My first pcp was a Hatsan bt65 .25. I thought all pcp rifles shot 3” groups at 30 yards. Until I bought an air force escape and found out I could shoot 1/2” groups with a pcp. Burn me once shame on you. Burn me twice and I’m a sucker.
 
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Some of us have owned Hatsan and been burned by the crap they've put out in the past and have moved on. If you enjoy them have at it but many people have had issues including myself. Yes was in the past but have no interest in going back when plenty of other better choices out there.
Never one time said anything different. What i said is that there is evidence that Hatsan has improved. Look at how few posts about current Hatsan quality exist as to just a few years ago.

The issue is that in virtually any thread where the OP states they are planning to buy a Hatsan, there are several posters who drop in and disparage Hatsan. None of which is based upon any current information. They only do this for Hatsan (and AEA to a lesser extent) when there are several other types that have their own issues. They are invested in their belief and if you, as I have done, post contrary empirical data, they either call you a liar or just ignore it.

The lack of respect to the OP is the other issue. Where do they ask the OP about their preference? How do they know whether the OP has done the research and is aware of any issues? Whether it is for economic reasons or some other reason they have chosen Hatsan.

They only do this for the 2 types as far as I can tell AEA and Hatsan.

And then there are the parochial posters, because they bought X then you should by X at 3 or 4 times the cost the OP is planning to spend.
 
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Yup. My first pcp was a Hatsan bt65 .25. I thought all pcp rifles shot 3” groups at 30 yards. Until I bought an air force escape and found out I could shoot 1/2” groups with a pcp. Burn me once shame on you. Burn me twice and I’m a sucker.
I have no pcp rifle, have never had a pcp or break barrel rifle that shot that badly at that short of a range. Well, other than early experiments in pellets. Amazing how bad some very cheap pellets can be.

The Sortie Tact comes close, but it isnt really a rifle and has an 8" barrel. 25 yards and 2" is about as good as it gets with the Sortie.
 
Claimed i "made up" the information I posted about my 4 Hatsan Semiauto.

So, what would you call that if not calling me a liar. Maybe you should reread what he wrote?

Then he ran away claiming I was trolling by asking him why he called me a liar and offering to let him prove to himself I wasn't lying.

Anything else I can help with?
There ya go again making stuff up ... ONLY Statement made was You THROWING SHADE FIRST starting with my quote .. The Hatsan haters have arrived.
From there any thing else you spin in your own mind is a imagined statement !!!

As I said earlier .. get some thick skin as this is the nature of not all people thinking like there fellow brothers of other mothers.
 
There ya go again making stuff up ... ONLY Statement made was You THROWING SHADE FIRST starting with my quote .. The Hatsan haters have arrived.
From there any thing else you spin in your own mind is a imagined statement !!!

As I said earlier .. get some thick skin as this is the nature of not all people thinking like there fellow brothers of other mothers.
Sad, truly sad, spin it any way you want but you
A. Got the wrong poster
B. Claimed you would not recommend, but failed to support with anything, ergo the usual hatsan bull.
C. Was specifically asked to supply anything current to support your *recommendation*, failed.
D. Just happened to be the first to drop in.

Try this in the future, supply actual supportive data if you are going to write negatively about a product.
 
I have no pcp rifle, have never had a pcp or break barrel rifle that shot that badly at that short of a range. Well, other than early experiments in pellets. Amazing how bad some very cheap pellets can be.

The Sortie Tact comes close, but it isnt really a rifle and has an 8" barrel. 25 yards and 2" is about as good as it gets with the Sortie.
So you get your panties in a bunch when you perceive people to be insinuating you’re a liar but here you are insinuating I’m a liar sharing your air rifle experiences. Your experiences have nothing to do with mine nor do they prove that my hatsan wasn’t a lemon.
 
Sad, truly sad, spin it any way you want but you
A. Got the wrong poster
B. Claimed you would not recommend, but failed to support with anything, ergo the usual hatsan bull.
C. Was specifically asked to supply anything current to support your *recommendation*, failed.
D. Just happened to be the first to drop in.

Try this in the future, supply actual supportive data if you are going to write negatively about a product.
TROLL .... You have been flagged and notified.
 
Sad, truly sad, spin it any way you want but you
A. Got the wrong poster
B. Claimed you would not recommend, but failed to support with anything, ergo the usual hatsan bull.
C. Was specifically asked to supply anything current to support your *recommendation*, failed.
D. Just happened to be the first to drop in.

Try this in the future, supply actual supportive data if you are going to write negatively about a product.
I'm the senior Airgunsmith for Airventuri/Pyramyd Air/Airgun Depot
One of the brands we have the biggest issues and return rate for is Hatsan Airguns. They, like many others it that price point can be great or terrible. A few even just okay and not leaning towards the best or worst. In my professional opinion, they are one at the bottom of my recommend list. Does that satisfy your requirements?
 
I'm the senior Airgunsmith for Airventuri/Pyramyd Air/Airgun Depot
One of the brands we have the biggest issues and return rate for is Hatsan Airguns. They, like many others it that price point can be great or terrible. A few even just okay and not leaning towards the best or worst. In my professional opinion, they are one at the bottom of my recommend list. Does that satisfy your requirements?
Absolutely, that is what i was trying to get across. If you are going to supply negative information, support that information with facts or at least inquire as to how much the OP knows in regard to the brand/gun etc. Then provide alternatives that fit in the same class.

Just dropping in a thread and "throwing shade" is arrogant and assumes the OP ignorant and has done no research.
 
We have hit one of those airgun "HUH?" points for me.

Yes, .30 pellets cost more than .22. But a single shot Uragan 3 costs a lot more than an automatic Blitz.

Blitz in 0.30: 700
Uragan 3 in 0.22: $2000

.30 pellets: $0.15 ea
.22 pellets: $0.05 ea

$1300*0.1 = 13,000

You would need to fire 13,000 pellets before the cost differential of the guns equalized. And that is only if you buy a .22 Uragan 3.
If you order your pellets in bulk you can typically find .30 for around 11 cents a shot, so emptying a 33 round magazine is going to cost close to $4. .22 Crosman Premiers and Norma Domes are usually around 2 cents each, so emptying a .22 45 round mag will cost under a buck. That adds up quick and then there’s the hassle of having to recharge the rifle more often with a .30. Also, the Blitz has a rather low velocity in .30.

The point of spending more on a rifle like an FX or a Daystate or an Uragan is that you’re paying more for a rifle with significantly greater potential accuracy. It’s comparing apples to oranges, but the OP mentions that he has an FX already, so he is aware of the costs involved.
 
Absolutely, that is what i was trying to get across. If you are going to supply negative information, support that information with facts or at least inquire as to how much the OP knows in regard to the brand/gun etc. Then provide alternatives that fit in the same class.

Just dropping in a thread and "throwing shade" is arrogant and assumes the OP ignorant and has done no research.
If you actually knew the guy you're talking about you'd know he's highly respected in this sport and his advice is pretty damn solid. Very knowledgeable in both operations and tuning of airguns avs definitely knows what brand is what.
 
And wants an automatic Blitz. Given the number of Hatsan .30 in the same price range automatic appears to be a deciding factor. Who knows, none of us have asked.

Yes, apples and oranges, premium bolt action vs low cost automatic. He does demonstrate a price range of $600-800. So I kept my advice to that range or less.

As you say, already owns an FX and also Gamo and Avenger and most likely aware of the deficiencies inherent in the low end of the market.

Would I buy the Blitz, probably not. I'd keep the Impact as is and add something like an AEA Challenger or used .308 AF Texan. If i were to limit myself to Hatsan I'd probably go with the Hercules Bully.

But the OP does not say why they are looking for .30. Could be the "YeeHaw" factor of the Blitz. There is something to be said for firing a whole extended magazine with one pull of the trigger.

As for Norma Precision, the 4 pack was $9.99 when introduced. I bought 4, paid for 3, 3400 pellets for $30 plus whatever shipping was. Still the best deal ever.
 
If you actually knew the guy you're talking about you'd know he's highly respected in this sport and his advice is pretty damn solid. Very knowledgeable in both operations and tuning of airguns avs definitely knows what brand is what.
I know exactly who he is. Just as I know who you are from the Pinty threads Rob and I started. I also know from his own statements he does not work on specific mfg rifles. Which was a point, his information is not based upon current data. The number of posts with complaints about Hatsan *seems* down quite a bit. Just looking at the Hatsan tag shows that.

The other point was, again, just dropping in and "throwing shade" is unhelpful without context of why they throw shade or the context of the OP choice in guns.

I would not buy the Blitz and provided alternatives in the stated $600-$800 range. Leave the FX alone and fill the .30 with a gun that has fewer moving parts.