.30 cal Fx Hybrids and RMR slugs

[TonyP]

So today i was spending a good amount of time getting my dope sorted out. i used Element balistic app along with strelok pro i always get on target but i feel i should be so much closer.. So!! i manualy check the BC . the bc on these are supposed to be .102 , but when i did my calclation with both streloc and element the bc only came out to .07 .. Did a triple check the good old fashion way using math.. and yep .07
made the proper adjustments and low and behold on TARGET. So so much better.
So moral of this story. if the dope is not adding up then check the BC of your slug/pellet. And these results were same with 2 rifles a 30cal FX M3 700mm and a FX Panthera 700mm.

 

[18.13]

My .30 FX Hybrids say .070 on the back of the box

 

[TonyP]

My .30 FX Hybrids say .070 on the back of the box

Mine to. but they are advertized .102

 

[TonyP]

And if you use the element BC app it will load .102 for the bc

 

[JungleShooter]

Mine to. but they are advertized .102

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Now, all we need is a photo of the box that says 0.070 — and we have evidence of yet another of the more BLATANT marketing LIES from one of our favorite manufacturers.
They manufacture guns, scopes, slugs, and.... (it starts with an L!).

Matthias


PS:
Please, do upload a photo of the BC number on the box. Thanks.

 

[TonyP]

Now, all we need is a photo of the box that says 0.070 — and we have evidence of yet another of the more BLATANT marketing LIES from one of our favorite manufacturers.
They manufacture guns, scopes, slugs, and.... (it starts with an L!).

Matthias


PS:
Please, do upload a photo of the BC number on the box. Thanks.

 

[PumaCarl]

Funny, I just recently bought these from RMR too and noticed that they were advertising the .1xx bc and I scratched my head over that because everyone was saying that these are the FX Hybrids, but my box of Hybrids are like the box above. I have checked the bc by shooting way out, and confirming with Strelok too, and I also get .07. C'cut got .08 using AEA 50.5gr pellets, and if I do, these RMRs are going to be getting lonely on the shelf. I have to find some first. I just got some of the new Zan br50 pellets to try this weekend too, hopefully they will hold it together out past 150y.

 

[TonyP]

Funny, I just recently bought these from RMR too and noticed that they were advertising the .1xx bc and I scratched my head over that because everyone was saying that these are the FX Hybrids, but my box of Hybrids are like the box above. I have checked the bc by shooting way out, and confirming with Strelok too, and I also get .07. C'cut got .08 using AEA 50.5gr pellets, and if I do, these RMRs are going to getting lonely on the shelf. I have to find some first. I just got some of the new Zan br50 pellets to try this weekend too, hopefully they will hold it together out past 150y.

im a fan of rmr slugs. u can buy a bunch for cheap and they are accurate but the bc is not as advertised.

 

[PumaCarl]

Yeah, I like them for their accuracy too. They really should talk to FX and get their story straight for the bc though because it looks pretty bad to say one thing and then the people you sell it to says something else. I guess FX is no better, with their packaging saying .07 and their Element App saying .102. Maybe someone will see this thread and do something about it.

 

[JungleShooter]

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Not an hour later and you already uploaded proof.

Thank you, and thank you for being so quick.

Matthias

 

[N2 Shooter]

I mean, that is wholly your fault IMHO.
The box says one thing, but a distributor's website says something else, and you believed the something else? Who do you think you should believe, the manufacturer or the teenager that designed their website?

Just sayin.

 

[JungleShooter]

I mean, that is wholly your fault IMHO.
The box says one thing, but a distributor's website says something else, and you believed the something else? Who do you think you should believe, the manufacturer or the teenager that designed their website?

Just sayin.

No, I believed the BC number that the manufacturer's grandchild coded into the manufacturer's Element Optics app.
It's wholly my fault.

Matthias

 

[PumaCarl]

I mean, that is wholly your fault IMHO.
The box says one thing, but a distributor's website says something else, and you believed the something else? Who do you think you should believe, the manufacturer or the teenager that designed their website?

Just sayin.

Just plain wrong. You buy anything, and you have to take it on faith, and the companies reputation, that what you bought is what you got. Otherwise we'd all need testing labs for everything. Whoever made and marketed the product should be approving the copy that ends up getting printed, on their label AND their website. Don't be ridiculous. Just saying.

 

[TonyP]

I mean, that is wholly your fault IMHO.
The box says one thing, but a distributor's website says something else, and you believed the something else? Who do you think you should believe, the manufacturer or the teenager that designed their website?

Just sayin.

Well before u make a response pointing fingers. on EVERY website even rmr,,utah airgun, pyrmid air exc they all state they are .102. ... The Manufacturer which is rmr states they are .102.. But hey guess u didnt look that far into it. This was a thread expressing my experience and to help others be aware.
JUST SAYING

 

[N2 Shooter]

It's a simple Garbage In, Garbage Out scenario. I have no idea who got it wrong when, and how those numbers proliferated through various companies websites. But one thing is for certain, those BC numbers were never on the FX Hybrid packaging for the last few years, and that's the numbers I've been using and I never had a problem.

It's hard to know how RMR did their testing to get such a different BC, but FX testing is right, and that is what is printed on their packaging. Now if the packaging said BC .102, then the gripes would definitely be justified.

Well before u make a response pointing fingers. on EVERY website even rmr,,utah airgun, pyrmid air exc they all state they are .102. ... The Manufacturer which is rmr states they are .102.. But hey guess u didnt look that far into it. This was a thread expressing my experience and to help others be aware.
JUST SAYING

No, I believed the BC number that the manufacturer's grandchild coded into the manufacturer's Element Optics app.
It's wholly my fault.

Matthias

I don't know exactly how close FX and Element Optics are, but they need to keep their kids away from the computer!

Yeah, Element screwed the pooch on that one!

Just plain wrong. You buy anything, and you have to take it on faith, and the companies reputation, that what you bought is what you got. Otherwise we'd all need testing labs for everything. Whoever made and marketed the product should be approving the copy that ends up getting printed, on their label AND their website. Don't be ridiculous. Just saying.

In a perfect world, you are correct. But I guess that also goes for the distributors too right? I wonder how long it would take Pyramyd Air to update their website if someone complained?

...The Manufacturer which is rmr states they are .102.. But hey guess u didnt look that far into it....

I certainly didn't. I grabbed the numbers off of the package, and that was that for me, because I expected that to have gone through all of the checks that everyone else (Utah Airguns, Pyramyd, etc. ) didn't, and ensure the numbers were right.

I have never even heard of RMR until your post, and honestly, I thought you were talking about two different slugs!

Looks like the industry has some splaining to do...

 

[Airgun-hobbyist]

Isn't this simply a case of how fast that your slugs are leaving the barrel?

 

[PumaCarl]

Isn't this simply a case of how fast that your slugs are leaving the barrel?

No, we are not actually talking about ballistics at this point. We are talking about mis-information, poor standardized testing/reporting procedures, bad inter-company communications, and why everyone lets this slide. Your own testing will always be right for you, but how products are represented is up to the companies.

RMR, supplier and maker of the FX Hybrid .30 caliber has one number, FX had printed another number on their box, Element (FX) ballistic software uses the original RMR bc. Huh? WTH Talk to each other people!

I find them to be .07 in my gun, just like the FX box says, but that's just me.