30-Yard Challenge

[ThomasT]

OK, as I promised TomasT I shot the mixed JSB MRD and FX cards again. Yesterday was a bit blustery with 3 mph wind with gusts to 6mph. What was a bit different was it was coming at about315 deg relative (my 10:30 more or less). So there was more windage spread than in the first time around for both pellets. Rather than attaching the cards I will just post the spreadsheets.

The first two are from 10/14/22. I shot the FX's first, followed by the JSB's. I shot about 10 rounds on a site in target before each pellets turn at the target. I did not change the scope settings between the pellet groups.

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This show that if I had adjusted two clicks down I would have had the mean of the shots nearly at o elevation. The max CTC spread here is 11.9mm with 7 of the shots within 1 MOA.

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Much more windage spread with the JSB's. This also shows that I should have gone UP 1 click on the scope. so the center of these shots is .75 MOA lower than the FX's. The chrony said that the ave. Velocity, ES and SD for both groups were nearly identical (about 823 fps, 1.9 SD and 7 ES). Strelok Pro says the FX's (orig JSD Monster 13.43 gr) have a BC of 0.026 while the Redesigns have a BC of 0.03, These results seems to say Strelok might have it backwards. The extreme spread on this group is 22mm and only 5 shots are withing 1 MOA.


Today was better weather with only light wind blowing directly at me from the target. Shot the same card, but the JSB's first and the FX's second. I didn't really shoot much better, but the groups seem to tell the same story.

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I again left the scope alone. And once again the JSB group has an average elevation .25 MOA below the bulls. Still has the wide flyers even without much wind. This group had an ES of 17mm and 7 shots in a 1 MOA group.

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The FX pellets were once again higher up the target than the JSB's. The average elevation is .25 MOA above the bulls. Smaller windage dispersion than the JSB's but I was going high for some reason. This would have been headed for a 192 8 or 9 X card if I shot all FX's. I haven't done that well in .177 yet. This group had a 15mm ES and 8 shots in a 1 MOA group.

So what do you guys think? Is there any difference between these pellets in this rifle? I think there is. But probably I could eliminate much of that by sorting the JSB's by head size and weight. The FX pellets just appear to be a better selection of pellets (from the JSB factory).

Cheers,
Greg

Hello @NAProf ,

Thank you for this effort and sharing the results. Not exactly what I was expecting.

Yes, I think there is a measurable difference.

Now my latest experience with the FX pellet is not as precise and early and basic, but with that stated I experenced a big difference. I received my FX 4.25mm 13.4 pellets and just shot a few ( total of 20, 5 each at 4 targets ) through the RAW at 25 yards with a spread of only .2145". This is a whole lot better than any of the 14 different pellets, including JSB MRD 13.43, that I had previously shot.

Next I shot 25 MOA 25-yard targets with my Crown and scored a 243, with 19 10's and this was with bad conditions, wind 12 to 18mph with gust to 24mph.

Bottom line, both of my rifles and myself really like the FX pellets.

Thank you again
ThomasT

 

[tcarlson777]

Here is a summary of the rifle brands that have shot a 200 card since the challenge began. I found it interesting.

 

[tommyb]

Here is a summary of the rifle brands that have shot a 200 card since the challenge began. I found it interesting.

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Yeah Tom, I have a great shooting Daystate Safari HP .22 and have not achieved a 200 yet. No excuses, I choke every time I got close with a 198 and 199 final score. Now maybe if I had one of those mean shooting 177’s, my luck would change.

 

[ThomasT]

Here is a summary of the rifle brands that have shot a 200 card since the challenge began. I found it interesting.

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Hello @tcarlson777

That is very interesting. If I did my math correct, that is 22 that has shot the 200 score, and if I remember correctly you figured that no one would ever shoot the 200. That is cool. It has been very challenging and a lot of fun for a lot of folks. Thank you again for your efforts.

ThomasT

 

[ThomasT]

Yeah Tom, I have a great shooting Daystate Safari HP .22 and have not achieved a 200 yet. No excuses, I choke every time I got close with a 198 and 199 final score. Now maybe if I had one of those mean shooting 177’s, my luck would change.

Hello @tommyb

I have been trying to get you to buy one of the .177 , but it's not too late.

ThomasT

 

[tommyb]

Hello @tommyb

I have been trying to get you to buy one of the .177 , but it's not too late.

ThomasT

Ha ha - My friend Ed ( ELH) has mentioned it too me also. I just got a new Revere and now all the guns have outgrown safe capacity. Maybe next year!

Thomas - you are an enabler!

 

[thomasair]

Here is neat picture from a long time ago. This is Olivia, my daughter. She was 9 at that time. For a while we shot BR matches together….it was a lot of fun. She was very intuitive with wind and has always been a good student. She picked up the game quickly. She’s showing off the overall match high card she shot at Open Grove in California. Fun times.

Mike

 

[douger]

IF I EVER GET SOME DAYS WHEN WINDS ARE NOT 20-30MPH ILL GET FEW CARDS SHOT

 

[ThomasT]

Here is neat picture from a long time ago. This is Olivia, my daughter. She was 9 at that time. For a while we shot BR matches together….it was a lot of fun. She was very intuitive with wind and has always been a good student. She picked up the game quickly. She’s showing off the overall match high card she shot at Open Grove in California. Fun times.

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Hello @thomasair

That has to make you feel just great. Well maybe if she out shot you that time

Both my son and daughter used to shoot BR with me, great feeling.

ThomasT

 

[tcarlson777]

@tommyb - I still can't tell if .177 is more accurate, or if the better shooters choose .177. By simple physics, .22 and up should have a lot more 200s. I finally figured out how to grab and single load one of those teeny tiny .177 pellets with a glove on my hand. Makes it much more comfortable to shoot that way. Hopefully you can pick up a .177 next year.

 

[tcarlson777]

@thomasair - Thanks for sharing that photo of your daughter! She looks very proud of that card.

 

[tommyb]

Here is neat picture from a long time ago. This is Olivia, my daughter. She was 9 at that time. For a while we shot BR matches together….it was a lot of fun. She was very intuitive with wind and has always been a good student. She picked up the game quickly. She’s showing off the overall match high card she shot at Open Grove in California. Fun times.

Mike

Mike

Look at the smile on her face! Wow - 249-14X, you need to bring her back to the N50 matches. Nothing like bonding with your kids; whether it is fishing, sports, shooting, attending school performances, etc.

They never forget those memories, and neither do we! As I get older I cherish them more and more.

Nice post

 

[thomasair]

Thanks…it was fun when we could shoot together. Back then she never wanted to stop for the day. We would shoot from whenever we began til dark. Haha

Mike

 

[drpietrzak]

Ok. Perfect weather today. Unbelievable break in weather for me. It was 50°F with 0 to 6mph from 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock but functionally no wind. Best card to date.

Springer. TX200 MKIII in .177. CenterPoint 6x20 scope at 20.

Pellets were weight sorted to 0.1 a grain. The starters were AA Field Heavy 10.3 but were sorted to 10.4 grains (10.35 to 10.44). Any noticeably damaged pellets were removed and then they were the lubed using Bees Wax polish. They were let sit a few days.

I shot off a wooden bench using a Caldwell front bag as a balance point rest. No other bags or aids.

Scored using .224 ARA plug using best edge touching for higher poit or "x".

I shot 4 cards before the wind started to come up. If i ran the calculations correctly, from best to worst were:

188 7x
187 7x
184 6x
179 4x

 

[beerthief]

IF I EVER GET SOME DAYS WHEN WINDS ARE NOT 20-30MPH ILL GET FEW CARDS SHOT

you live to close to Chicago Politicss to get less than 20 or 30 mph

 

[tcarlson777]

Nice shooting with your TX 200! Really great scores.

 

[ThomasT]

Ok. Perfect weather today. Unbelievable break in weather for me. It was 50°F with 0 to 6mph from 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock but functionally no wind. Best card to date.

Springer. TX200 MKIII in .177. CenterPoint 6x20 scope at 20.

Pellets were weight sorted to 0.1 a grain. The starters were AA Field Heavy 10.3 but were sorted to 10.4 grains (10.35 to 10.44). Any noticeably damaged pellets were removed and then they were the lubed using Bees Wax polish. They were let sit a few days.

I shot off a wooden bench using a Caldwell front bag as a balance point rest. No other bags or aids.

Scored using .224 ARA plug using best edge touching for higher poit or "x".

I shot 4 cards before the wind started to come up. If i ran the calculations correctly, from best to worst were:

188 7x
187 7x
184 6x
179 4x

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Hello @Drpietrzak

Four good cards with that springer.

ThomasT

 

[tcarlson777]

Congrats to Drpietrzak for scoring a new personal best.

 

[cstan]

I was just surfing the internet and saw this target that is used.

It is the target that I drew for another forum a few years ago.

I am glad to see it being used. Good luck to all of you.

 

[ThomasT]

Hello @tcarlson777

Perfect weather this morning so I warmed up my Crown and shot several 50-Yard MOA Targets and decided to try the 30 Yard Challenge. I was hoping to be able to shoot just 10 sections / 20 targets but I kept choking up on at least one target. So I offer this card with my best score of 200 with 18-Xs.

ThomasT