Umarex 3rd Zelos has Issues. Anyone else having issues??

Chief Ten-Beers · Tuesday at 9:09 AM

Rizz01 said:
Due to my experiences with UX, this seems fitting.
Yes, in every lot made by every manufacturers there WILL be "lemons".
I have found that UX is relying on their strong prowess in the industry to keep their sales up. Folks keep shrugging off the fact that their products are made poorly as well as their horrible customer service. UX seemingly does JUST ENOUGH to prevent a huge boycott of their products.
It's a shame how we hobbyists just want a quality product and they just sling junk into boxes maliciously. Meanwhile, they act like they do all they can to prevent this.

With regard to the current ongoing debate: Snowpeak M60 vs Zelos
We all know that the Zelos is a clone of the Snowpeak. Folks in this very forum have stated that they are more comfortable buying the Zelos since the Snowpeak is not imported here. Yet, for upgrade parts (or parts in general) one needs to call upon AAF of Canada anyway.

My opinion: Return it and order a Snowpeak.....
My 2 cents

And wait to see what the "Max" Version brings to the table.

Rizz01 · Tuesday at 9:13 AM

Chief Ten-Beers said:
And wait to see what the "Max" Version brings to the table.

I got my eye on that. That's "supposed to be a $699 slug slinger.

SteveV · Tuesday at 9:14 AM

I'm with the Chief - I think someone incorrectly labeled the pallet of rejects by mistake and they got sent to PA.

I would imagine someone from PA is having this conversation with the manufacturer as I type?

RobBonnell89 · Tuesday at 9:40 AM

Rizz01 said:
Due to my experiences with UX, this seems fitting.
Yes, in every lot made by every manufacturers there WILL be "lemons".
I have found that UX is relying on their strong prowess in the industry to keep their sales up. Folks keep shrugging off the fact that their products are made poorly as well as their horrible customer service. UX seemingly does JUST ENOUGH to prevent a huge boycott of their products.
It's a shame how we hobbyists just want a quality product and they just sling junk into boxes maliciously. Meanwhile, they act like they do all they can to prevent this.

With regard to the current ongoing debate: Snowpeak M60 vs Zelos
We all know that the Zelos is a clone of the Snowpeak. Folks in this very forum have stated that they are more comfortable buying the Zelos since the Snowpeak is not imported here. Yet, for upgrade parts (or parts in general) one needs to call upon AAF of Canada anyway.

My opinion: Return it and order a Snowpeak.....
My 2 cents

Thanks. The whole assembly just seems rushed on these. Just careless honestly. If you’re installing a part like this trigger assembly bar for example. Looks like it was twisted/bent during assembly. You’d think they would install a new one not just send it down the line. Crazy to me.

Chief Ten-Beers · Tuesday at 9:51 AM

"Tighten until it Bends and then back it off a 1/4 turn?" Not good.

Hateful McNasty · Tuesday at 9:56 AM

Maybe throw some hot sauce, tampons , and ebike driving gloves in your order ? Lol

Ya, my "last" gun I got from P.A I had to rma 3 times .. like you said it was like used or something not looking new stuff . One even had aftermarket parts in it ..lol. Wow. It's not like I bought refurbished.. I'd probably been better off doing so I guess..lol

Dr. Kralenstein said:
Wes up in Canada sells the m60 and he goes over them before he sells them. PA just tossed one from their warehouse in a box and ships unless you pay for the inspection/testing.

Ya, how many guys post they paid for that and got a bad or leaking gun ..? Scam for 10 deal ..

Dr. Kralenstein · Tuesday at 9:58 AM

Hateful McNasty said:
Maybe throw some hot sauce, tampons , and ebike driving gloves in your order ? Lol

Ya, my "last" gun I got from P.A I had to rma 3 times .. like you said it was like used or something not looking new stuff . One even had aftermarket parts in it ..lol. Wow. It's not like I bought refurbished.. I'd probably been better off doing so I guess..lol

Ya, how many guys post they paid for that and got a bad or leaking gun ..? Scam for 10 deal ..

Good point lol

Firewalker · Tuesday at 10:57 AM

Chief Ten-Beers said:
May need to switch to Snowpeak, that the Zelos was styled after?

Sorry but the Zelos is a SPA SnowPeak gun as is the M60 & M60B

Firewalker · Tuesday at 10:59 AM

Rizz01 said:
Due to my experiences with UX, this seems fitting.
Yes, in every lot made by every manufacturers there WILL be "lemons".
I have found that UX is relying on their strong prowess in the industry to keep their sales up. Folks keep shrugging off the fact that their products are made poorly as well as their horrible customer service. UX seemingly does JUST ENOUGH to prevent a huge boycott of their products.
It's a shame how we hobbyists just want a quality product and they just sling junk into boxes maliciously. Meanwhile, they act like they do all they can to prevent this.

With regard to the current ongoing debate: Snowpeak M60 vs Zelos
We all know that the Zelos is a clone of the Snowpeak. Folks in this very forum have stated that they are more comfortable buying the Zelos since the Snowpeak is not imported here. Yet, for upgrade parts (or parts in general) one needs to call upon AAF of Canada anyway.

My opinion: Return it and order a Snowpeak.....
My 2 cents

Correction: Both are SPA SnowPeak guns and are both the same, the Canadian name is M60 & M60B while the US version is Zelos.

Same gun.

Chief Ten-Beers · Tuesday at 11:08 AM

I wonder how the Canadian Version M60 is holding up in comparison?

RobBonnell89 · Tuesday at 11:13 AM

If anyone is interested. Heres a picture of the clipping issue on my second. Didn’t think to get a better picture. Maybe a half inch mark. This was after I marked the spot and painted it with a sharpie. It reappeared after about 50 shots.

Hateful McNasty · Tuesday at 11:25 AM

Firewalker said:
Correction: Both are SPA SnowPeak guns and are both the same, the Canadian name is M60 & M60B while the US version is Zelos.

Same gun.

Yup no snow peak sales in the USA like a few others .. got be be rebranded like this gun or Diana or whoever .. but the rest of the world can just buy a real snowpeak ..lol. USA all the way ..

Funny ain't it ? So much for this free market USA ..lol. What a joke we become ..

Stubbers · Tuesday at 11:39 AM

Hateful McNasty said:
Yup no snow peak sales in the USA like a few others .. got be be rebranded like this gun or Diana or whoever .. but the rest of the world can just buy a real snowpeak ..lol. USA all the way ..

Funny ain't it ? So much for this free market USA ..lol. What a joke we become ..

Just slap USA in your brand, and no one will blink an eye as to where the parts are manufactured or assembled! Problem solved.

-Matt

RobBonnell89 · Tuesday at 11:40 AM

Firewalker said:
Correction: Both are SPA SnowPeak guns and are both the same, the Canadian name is M60 & M60B while the US version is Zelos.

Same gun.

Zelos does have an extra 4-5” of empty shroud. I would have preferred the m60 shroud/moderator version.

Chief Ten-Beers · Tuesday at 11:50 AM

If you "Google" PCP's made in America it lists Umarex probably because they have a Distribution/Repair center? But it is the furthest from the Truth.

RobBonnell89 · Tuesday at 11:51 AM

Hateful McNasty said:
Maybe throw some hot sauce, tampons , and ebike driving gloves in your order ? Lol

Ya, my "last" gun I got from P.A I had to rma 3 times .. like you said it was like used or something not looking new stuff . One even had aftermarket parts in it ..lol. Wow. It's not like I bought refurbished.. I'd probably been better off doing so I guess..lol

Ya, how many guys post they paid for that and got a bad or leaking gun ..? Scam for 10 deal ..

Wow that’s terrible. Atleast I won’t be the first with 3 RMAs

. Wonder what the record is.
Pyramid has been really solid with my issues. I don’t think I’m getting used guns. My first was a pre order so definitely not. All 3 had the typical dirty barrels to. Just a horrible quality control issue. Maybe a rushed assembly. Sucks reguardless

RobBonnell89 · Tuesday at 12:01 PM

Thanks for the reply’s guys. Doesn’t make me feel any more confident about my issue…. but atleast I’m in good company

. I dry fired my gun about 25 times. Then sighted it in and shot about 50 times.
It’s aired back up and I’m just waiting to see if it leaks again?

Think I’m going to shoot something else for the next couple days. I’m over it

Gramps · Tuesday at 12:14 PM

I believe the Zelos is made in the SPA factory but there are differences between the 2 guns. M60 has the gauge on the end of the tube & fillswith a probe. I think the newer M60’s do have a foster fitting. The barrel on the Zelos is 26" while the M60 has a 24" barrel. The M60 also can be had with more calibers up to .357. Could be a few other suttle differences too. Think the M60 has been around much longer than the Zelos.

Rizz01 · Tuesday at 12:37 PM

Gramps said:
I believe the Zelos is made in the SPA factory but there are differences between the 2 guns. M60 has the gauge on the end of the tube & fillswith a probe. I think the newer M60’s do have a foster fitting. The barrel on the Zelos is 26" while the M60 has a 24" barrel. The M60 also can be had with more calibers up to .357. Could be a few other suttle differences too. Think the M60 has been around much longer than the Zelos.

Snapon and Kobalt (Lowes) tools are made in the same factory but made on different production lines. Quality control and function are night and day.

MongooseV8 · Tuesday at 1:03 PM

Sorry to hear you are having so many issues. I wonder if it would be worth while to get a refund and try something else? Bullet Central has a 22 Cal Wildcat for like $1050 on sale right now.

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