45 min tank from Ebay

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Baspinall

Baspinall

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Just grabbed a 45 min MSA tank for 130.00 with a 2019 hydro test. So I should be good to get filled correct?
However, the seller stated it was a 4500 psi tank. Isn't this a 2216 psi? So I can not really use it if I'm thinking correct.

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Yep, its probably on its last 5 years so expect it to be good until 2024 and then expire without eligibility for re-hydro (over 15 years old).

From there you'd have to find your own fill source / compressor. Its what I do...cheaper anyhow. I've got my moneys worth out of my compressor already @ 10-15$ a fill cost, especially when you add in gas for the trip.

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You are correct that is a Luxfor model L45S, 153 bar tank - 2218.5 PSI service pressure, DOT rating 2216 PSI. It is essentially worthless for PCP gun use. Had it been marked L45M it would be rated for 310 BAR / DOT rating 4500 PSI. Can you share the seller name either here or in a private message? I want to make sure I don't deal with them.

If it was not as described in the listing, ebay will refund your money whether the seller wants to do so or not. If the seller doesn't send you a return shipping label for the item that was not as described and give you a refund as soon as they have it back, contact ebay ASAP. Be sure to get a drop off scan of the return shipping label so you have proof that you sent it back. Also good idea to take a photo of the box at the UPS store / Post Office showing it as being sent. I would give them 24 hours to contact me with a no questions asked full refund where all you have to do is drop it off at the UPS store. Then I would go straight to ebay. You could even request a UPS / USPS pickup at your home or office, since it will take time / money to take their incorrectly described item to the shipping center.

I see that they are selling another one that is also incorrectly described at a lower price. Still not worth the $80 they are asking. You should probably tell them it is also listed with wrong PSI rating. I wouldn't give even $15 for that tank.

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This seller has an Interspiro 45 minute 4500 psi tank hydro tested in 2019, built in 2014. They have sold some for $114 shipped and might accept an offer for that amount again.
 
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You are correct that is a Luxfor model L45S, 153 bar tank - 2218.5 PSI service pressure, DOT rating 2216 PSI. It is essentially worthless for PCP gun use. Had it been marked L45M it would be rated for 310 BAR / DOT rating 4500 PSI. Can you share the seller name either here or in a private message? I want to make sure I don't deal with them.

If it was not as described in the listing, ebay will refund your money whether the seller wants to do so or not. If the seller doesn't send you a return shipping label for the item that was not as described and give you a refund as soon as they have it back, contact ebay ASAP. Be sure to get a drop off scan of the return shipping label so you have proof that you sent it back. Also good idea to take a photo of the box at the UPS store / Post Office showing it as being sent. I would give them 24 hours to contact me with a no questions asked full refund where all you have to do is drop it off at the UPS store. Then I would go straight to ebay. You could even request a UPS / USPS pickup at your home or office, since it will take time / money to take their incorrectly described item to the shipping center.

I see that they are selling another one that is also incorrectly described at a lower price. Still not worth the $80 they are asking. You should probably tell them it is also listed with wrong PSI rating. I wouldn't give even $15 for that tank.

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This seller has an Interspiro 45 minute 4500 psi tank hydro tested in 2019, built in 2014. They have sold some for $114 shipped and might accept an offer for that amount again.
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That one appears listed corectly

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Stubbers said:
That one appears listed corectly

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They changed it since I made my post.

The seller made no mention of the last Hydro test on those tanks. I would ask for that information and a photo before accepting it as a replacement. If it isn't within the 5 years of the last Hydro test you are going to have to pay for a new one to be able to fill it at a commercial location. You might want to inspect inside it as soon as you get it rather than wasting $40 to $80 on a Hydro and having it end up failing because of corrosion inside. It is easy to do with an endoscope camera.

Of course, if you are filling it yourself, then DOT / Hydro / Dates are irrelevant to some.

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Are those DOT? Never heard of that brand.
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Yes, they are DOT approved. The tank is made by Luxfer, the same company that made the MSA branded tank you received and most of the Scott brand. The sellers photo is a stock photo from the factory and not a good representation of the well used tanks they are selling. Anyone buying one should ask for a photo of the actual tank they will be sent including all pertinent dates.

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My plan was/is to get a tank that is hydro tested or get one hydro tested myself. Then get it filled. After that I will top off with my own compressor. I plan on buying the GX CS4.
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Is the hydro test for your own peace of mind as well as being able to have it filled by a shop?

Regardless, the GX CS4 will fill that tank up to 4500 PSI with ease, albeit slowly. Just watch the temperature and don't go past the four hour FIVE HOUR factory recommended run time. My Yong Heng struggles to hit 4500 PSI, but the CS4 is designed to go well beyond that. I would recommend getting an "Orange" water trap and setting it up with a check valve on the compressor side plus a shutoff / bleed valve on the gun side so you don't have to keep refilling it every time you disconnect / connect something. A small filter on the gun side of the water trap but before the shutoff valve, with color changing microsieve beads in it will let you know quickly whether the water trap is doing its job. Photo stolen from another post on AGN:

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My post on setting up an isolated water trap / filter that can remain filled to 300 bar when swapping out guns / tanks.

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I chose to go with my own visual inspection of the inside with a high resolution bore scope (Teslong) and the outside of any tank I plan to use and forego the expense of a hydro test since I will never have one filled commercially, but that option isn't for everyone and I am not trying to sell you on it or disparage that process which certainly is a good idea. Based on my research I don't feel it is necessary on a 4500 PSI carbon fiber tank that has no damage on the inside or the outside, was designed for a 30 year service life and is less than 30 years old. I will inspect my CF tanks at least every 5 years and retire them with a 50 BMG when they hit 30 years since their build date.
 
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Baspinall said:
Thanks for that info. I was under the assumption that I need to get the tank filled and use the GX to top off. Didn't know it would fill it from empty.
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You are welcome.

Just be patient and let it cool with the fans on but not pumping air after the 5 hour block until the head temp drops down to room temp. I think there might be someone here on AGN who has filled tanks from Zero with their CS4. Maybe they will comment on how it went.

Another thing to check should you ever want to fill it at a shop, some businesses will fill tanks that are not DOT certified as long as they have a current hydro or are less than 5 years old. Though it might be more difficult to get a non DOT tank hydro tested.

I have filled 5 tanks so far with my Yong Heng from Zero to 4500 PSI and never went over 45C on the temp, but as noted previously, it struggles to hit 4500 PSI. It takes 2 hours to fill a 30 minute SCBA from 0 to 4000 PSI and another hour+ to go from 4000 to 4500, which is why am going to get a GX CS4 or some other pump that will hit 400 BAR. It seems to level off when the head temp reaches 45C so I usually shut it down at 42C and let it cool for a while, then start in again.
 
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IMHO your idea about having the 1st fill done at a shop (as long as hydro cert & mfg date are kosher) & then topping off at home periodically makes the most sense. Even though our "home compressors" are supposed to fill to 4500psi, you'd be doing yourself & your compressor a big favor by not pushing past 4200-4300psi. They work their hardest the last couple hundred lbs of fill & you're more likely to get longevity from your compressor by NOT pushing it to its MAX! Just a friendly suggestion.
 
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