A couple of questions about springers.

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I agree with others on the 177 with this rifle. If you are hunting with leaves on the trees, you are going to want a scope. It's not just about accuracy but consistent accuracy. As for leaving it cocked while youre hunting it won't hurt a thing. A few hours will be fine. Most of the spring stress happens at the shot and unless the spring has a flaw it will be fine.
 
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Sqwirlfugger57 said:
When walking around I typically just semi cock the gun just enough to load a pellet and then close it up. Thats the part that takes the most time anyway. When the time comes to shoot it's just a matter of cocking the action and taking a shot. You're ready in a second.
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That is what I do also. Then if the squirrel or whatever runs off and you still get no shot, just decock the rifle and continue on. Same with my PCP, I never cock it until ready to shoot.
As for harming the spring leaving it cocked, that is just another Urban Legend repeated until it became a fact. I suppose if you left it sit cocked for a couple weeks it might take a set, however a couple hours will not hurt anything.

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I had a 22 HW50. I sold it and kept the 177. The 22 was great for me until I got past 30 yards. After that my rangefinder and hold over skills became problematic. The 177 is almost 200fps faster with standard weight lead pellets. I found landing a 177 on point better than an off point 22. That's just me. There's alot of benefits to a 22 but I couldn't make it work at these power levels.
 
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Another question comes to mind about the HW50S. If the spring gets weak, which I assume they all do at some point, is it possible to get an upgrade kit ( if you could call it that ) with a gas piston that is adaptable to the HW50S? I plan on doing a lot of hunting with this gun (if I decide to go with it ) so it'll be seeing some prolonged spring compression, although I intend to keep it minimized as much as possible. I also intend to put a lot of pellets through it at home also. I haven't ordered the rifle yet, they are on back order and aren't due in for a month but the sooner I get on the list as a paid customer, the sooner I'll get a rifle when they DO arrive.
Although, if I decide to go with the .177 they have those in stock....I'm still on the fence with that.
 
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Mcrafty1 said:
Another question comes to mind about the HW50S. If the spring gets weak, which I assume they all do at some point, is it possible to get an upgrade kit ( if you could call it that ) with a gas piston that is adaptable to the HW50S? I plan on doing a lot of hunting with this gun (if I decide to go with it ) so it'll be seeing some prolonged spring compression, although I intend to keep it minimized as much as possible. I also intend to put a lot of pellets through it at home also. I haven't ordered the rifle yet, they are on back order and aren't due in for a month but the sooner I get on the list as a paid customer, the sooner I'll get a rifle when they DO arrive.
Although, if I decide to go with the .177 they have those in stock....I'm still on the fence with that.
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Krale has the 50S in stock for $390 shipped. Its been said several times already but I guess I'll say it again because it didn't stick it seems. Keeping a spring compressed for a few hours at a time isn't going to hurt your spring! Expect a life of about 5-7k out of a factory HW springs. From there, toss in an ARH or Vortek kit and seal. I've got a few guns with those springs in them pushing 20K shots and no significant signs of going to sh*t soon. When they do though, no big deal. A replacement spring cost $20 and takes 10 minutes to put in.
 
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Mcrafty1 said:
I guess I don't understand what you are saying? Why would a peep be any different than the open sights?
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You are correct; line-of-sight is a function of trajectory and front sight height. Any rear sight is just a device to align your eye with the LOS, and changing from open to peep doesn't affect that. A good old-timer's trick when mounting a peep, in fact, is to line it up with the open sight before that is removed, then only a bit of fine-tuning is required.

Years ago Tom Gaylord did a long series of articles on how long one could leave a springer cocked - the advice above is all correct! You don't want to leave it sitting that way overnight etc., but a quality spring shouldn't be affected by typical hunting/stalking practice.

Bear-of-Graying made an excellent point. The loudest part of cocking most springers is popping the breech open. If you unlatch the breech the barrel will drop enough to load, and then getting ready to shoot is quick and quiet. Some old-skool hunters love the HW 35 for this reason, the manual latch lets you both open and close the breech silently.
 
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Scouty said:
What other break barrels can be de-cocked besides the HW30 and HW50?

Sorry for the thread jack.
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Usually springers with a manual safety can be de-cocked, which includes most barrel-cockers and underlevers, including all the current HW rifles I think. Many older designs have no safety at all which is even easier of course.

Some springers, though, have various kinds of internal automatic safeties which prevent de-cocking. The old Walther target break-barrel rifles, a few older Dianas, and some others have a spring-loaded sliding bar that blocks the trigger whenever the barrel is broken open. I am not familiar with Gamos or Hatsans, so defer to Sqwirlfugger57 on those, but it may be something similar.

All modern sidelever guns have ratchet mechanisms that block the lever from accidentally flying forward if your grip slips during cocking - often there is no way to release the action while it is open, and even if they can be de-cocked it's a dangerously clumsy "three handed" operation.

Many of the classic sidelever springer match rifles, like the FWB 300 series, have both a lever ratchet and a trigger block.
 
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Sqwirlfugger57 said:
Krale has the 50S in stock for $390 shipped. Its been said several times already but I guess I'll say it again because it didn't stick it seems. Keeping a spring compressed for a few hours at a time isn't going to hurt your spring! Expect a life of about 5-7k out of a factory HW springs. From there, toss in an ARH or Vortek kit and seal. I've got a few guns with those springs in them pushing 20K shots and no significant signs of going to sh*t soon. When they do though, no big deal. A replacement spring cost $20 and takes 10 minutes to put in.
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Krale shipping starts at $36.00 Pyramid Air sells the same gun for $419.95 and free shipping, with a couple of free perks. They have the .177 in stock, the .22 in due in mid april. I'll put the spring thing to bed now.
 
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Krale shipping starts at $36.00 Pyramid Air sells the same gun for $419.95 and free shipping, with a couple of free perks. They have the .177 in stock, the .22 in due in mid april. I'll put the spring thing to bed now.
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There are no perks ordering from Pyramydair here. That $390 is the shipped price from Krale. Pellets are also cheaper if you get them from Krale. Pyramydair's "Buy 3 Get 1 Free deal" is not a deal. They just tacked on 30% + to the original price of each tin of pellets.

Edit: Actually, I take that back. There is ONE perk. Warranty. I immediately void my warranty by taking these guns apart so if you are dependent on someone else fixing the gun for you, Pyramydair or AoA is the way to go.
 
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Sqwirlfugger57 said:
There are no perks ordering from Pyramydair here. That $390 is the shipped price from Krale. Pellets are also cheaper if you get them from Krale. Pyramydair's "Buy 3 Get 1 Free deal" is not a deal. They just tacked on 30% + to the original price of each tin of pellets.

Edit: Actually, I take that back. There is ONE perk. Warranty. I immediately void my warranty by taking these guns apart so if you are dependent on someone else fixing the gun for you, Pyramydair or AoA is the way to go.
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My bad, I was looking at the HW90 when I priced out a rifle at Krale That's a good price but I didn't find a warranty? does Krale offer one?
Also the metal silhouette targets were free with PA not a deal breaker though.
 
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Mcrafty1 said:
My bad, I was looking at the HW90 when I priced out a rifle at Krale That's a good price but I didn't find a warranty? does Krale offer one?
Also the metal silhouette targets were free with PA not a deal breaker though.
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If they're the targets I'm thinking of (4 yellow silhouettes?) Walmart carries them too for like $7. I'm sure Krale does offer a warranty but shipping the gun back over sees is not really worth it given what it'll cost you. If warranty is a concern buy from AoA. They give a lifetime warranty on the guns when purchased through them.
 
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Sqwirlfugger57 said:
If they're the targets I'm thinking of (4 yellow silhouettes?) Walmart carries them too for like $7. I'm sure Krale does offer a warranty but shipping the gun back over sees is not really worth it given what it'll cost you. If warranty is a concern buy from AoA. They give a lifetime warranty on the guns when purchased through them.
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Thanks.
 
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Mcrafty1 said:
Another question comes to mind about the HW50S. If the spring gets weak, which I assume they all do at some point, is it possible to get an upgrade kit ( if you could call it that ) with a gas piston that is adaptable to the HW50S? I plan on doing a lot of hunting with this gun (if I decide to go with it ) so it'll be seeing some prolonged spring compression, although I intend to keep it minimized as much as possible. I also intend to put a lot of pellets through it at home also. I haven't ordered the rifle yet, they are on back order and aren't due in for a month but the sooner I get on the list as a paid customer, the sooner I'll get a rifle when they DO arrive.
Although, if I decide to go with the .177 they have those in stock....I'm still on the fence with that.
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Tune kits. https://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251488.htm
Also, I would not worry if I left my HW95L .22 cocked all day, period.
 
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