A Huge Favor to ask To Air Gun Bullet Casters use Factory spec test beds!

[Willie14228]

This is kind of getting a little aggravating, Everyone ( Bullet Manufactures) are posting Test Results using Power Tuned or in some other means not a factory spec guns. this makes no since whatsoever and can get some hunters in trouble. A Good example is the .308 and .357 bullets, If you are listing your bullets as passing the Texas 215 FPE Minimum rule using an Power Tuned gun guess whats going to happen to a hunter using a stock gun.

 

[JCD]

Manufacturers/testers probably aren't interest in posting lackluster results. It generally (not always) takes more power to shoot slugs well. I won't complicate this thread but all guns I've tested so far do better with the right pellet than the several slugs (even sized to 4 different diameters) I've tested. I have one that still I hopes for but it's not going to happen with the factory power settings. Quick note... I didn't start testing slugs until after I sold my Impacts and never had a slug liner to even try. 

I kinda like knowing what works at different power levels on different guns but I totally understand where you are coming from. 

 

[bandg]

This is kind of getting a little aggravating, Everyone ( Bullet Manufactures) are posting Test Results using Power Tuned or in some other means not a factory spec guns. this makes no since whatsoever and can get some hunters in trouble. A Good example is the .308 and .357 bullets, If you are listing your bullets as passing the Texas 215 FPE Minimum rule using an Power Tuned gun guess whats going to happen to a hunter using a stock gun.

Slugs aren't necessarily my cup of tea but the people working on them are trying to forge new ground in most cases. Your desires aren't likely to resonate with them.

 

[Glem.Chally]

Most cast slugs are heavy, i have a couple molds from MP molds in slovenia in .22 they cast 35 and 36.5gr, in .25 47gr. Have one in .25 from NOE and its between 36-39 depending on pins.

In .30 a pellet mold that casts 59-63gr and another that casts 63gr HP.

Long story short unless someone is shooting a sumatra or condor or something it basically needs to be modded and run hot to stabilize them/get decent fps.

Buying slugs from NSA or others there's a way wider selection in weight and easier to do what youre asking.

Just my thoughts.

These aren't really hand picked just grabbed from their tins so be easy on me!

 

[Willie14228]

Here is the issue, they make these claims and tell hunters to use those test results to prove to Texas Game that the bullets pass the minimum requirements, Game Wardens are smart cookies they deal with hunters trying to walk the edge all the time, it’s not going to take long and they are going to find themselves hurting not only their own business name but the customers and the Airgun hunting as a whole too. 
Let’s not fall into the same practice that many Airgun manufacturers do and show unrealistic numbers with super light pellets, Keep it real. It’s fine to show what the bullet can do in a power tuned gun but also list it’s specs in a stock gun to help insure that a hunter stays on the legal side of that line. This is how everyone helps insure that this sport opens up into other states and stays open in the current states 

 

[TrinityMaker]

I think that's a very reasonable request.

 

[jarmstrong]

I am confused, why don't you figure the ft/lb for your gun? How is a bullet maker supposed to know the power level of your gun?

https://www.airgundepot.com/airgun-calculators.html

I have 3 guns that can shoot "x" weight bullet, but each one shots a different speed, so each one has a different power level

 

[nielsenammo]

Stock gun specs? At what pressure? At what elevation? At what power setting of your hammer spring? Only speaking for NSA we do not give power levels because there are way too many variables. Pretty easy to chrony your gun and figure out FPE of your set up so I see no reason to even bother listing FPE numbers. Weight and length maybe BC.

 

[IndiaCo.]

It’s fine to show what the bullet can do in a power tuned gun but also list it’s specs in a stock gun to help insure that a hunter stays on the legal side of that line.

So, manufacturers should test them in every gun?

 

[Willie14228]

If you are going to present specs and claim your bullet passes a legal requirement for a state then it should be done in a stock gun or stated it will not pass the minimum requirements in a stock version. 


An example statement is claims that a bullet is producing 218 FPE in a Texan .308 when I got them the max I could get was 190 when I called and asked about it I was told that it was a 4500 psi power tuned .308 


I own a Chrony, and I never take an untested platform out on a game hunt without knowing its minimum fpe with my bullet selection 

Big Bore Airgun hunting is beginning to grow with new people who know little to nothing about Airgun ballistics further since many of the “power tunes” voids warranties these new people will most likely not take a $1300 investment and ruin a lifetime warranty.

all I am asking is for bullet manufacturers (casters) to help the sport grow in a positive manner by helping to insure there is no misunderstandings as to what the pairing of their bullet and a Texan or whatever stated test bed can do.

And Neilson I can respect your statement it’s better not to list FPE. Weight length and BC would be great though since I like to use ballistics calc