Love that thumbhole stock
By the looks of the markings and the trigger it's definitely one of the transition models!
Nice find indeed
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By the looks of the markings and the trigger it's definitely one of the transition models!
Nice find indeed
I always knew it's assembled in Turkey. All Longbow SE's were. The trigger is the same as the UK assembled guns. Long before I bought it I read up on them on UK forums. There are some mixed reviews so I knew what chance I was taking to buy it. Most of the negative opinions seem to think it's a Hatsan. Having never even seen one.
This one obviously shoots very well with the current set up. No regrets.
This one obviously shoots very well with the current set up. No regrets.
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I bought a brand-new Turkish Longbow decades ago. Won't speculate if it was Turkish made, Turkish steel, or Turkish fairy-dusted, but it had pretty WALNUT.
It also had one of the worst triggers and firing behaviors of any of the hundreds of airguns, and scores of sproingers, I've owned; both 'qualities' falling somewhere in the same ballpark as Chinese Lion, Mendoza, and Philippine.
The Turkish Longbow did make a pretty good trotline weight
(after removing the stock to make pistol grips out of). That last sentence above was a joke, BTW.
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I bet it wasn't an SE. Likely a Longbow II with the pre Quatro Hatsan trigger. There was an equally horrible Webley Stingray II with that trigger. See post # 14I bought a brand-new Turkish Longbow decades ago. Won't speculate if it was Turkish made, Turkish steel, or Turkish fairy-dusted, but it had pretty WALNUT.
It also had one of the worst triggers and firing behaviors of any of the hundreds of airguns, and scores of sproingers, I've owned; both 'qualities' falling somewhere in the same ballpark as Chinese Lion, Mendoza, and Philippine.
The Turkish Longbow did make a pretty good trotline weight
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That last sentence above was a joke, BTW.
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While we're on Webleys, here's my walnut .22 Stingray carbine with one of my HW50's. This Webley also has a JM spring and therefore not as snappy. Sweet little Webley. Like a jewel with it's high polish blue
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Here's a Turkbow I picked up a month or so ago. Appears to be the last of the Turkish Longbow with the crappy stingray II trigger. Firing cycle was terrible, Mike E. Made me a set of new guides and machined the piston to have a proper seal that worked. Then had to get a decent breech seal from Knibbs and it's now shooting with a great shooting cycle. Shooting at 13ftlb and I can get 1" groups at 30 yards, but has the odd low flyer every so often which I attribute to the stiff lockup and the poorly machined breech seal ring. It's not a UK Longbow but a decent enough shooter and the stock is very nice walnut.
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What was done to the trigger? I have a Stingray II I got cheap with that trigger. Looks like swapping out the screws could help but I just stashed the gun away. It has a Webley Compression tube, safety, and piston with a Hatsan trigger housing welded on. The Webley trigger would have been much better and wouldn't look so wierd. Hatsan barrel and stock.
Typical Webley, the Phillips head screws aren't phillips head. They're Pozi drive and Phillips head doesn't fit right. Tommies I've seen use allen screws.
Typical Webley, the Phillips head screws aren't phillips head. They're Pozi drive and Phillips head doesn't fit right. Tommies I've seen use allen screws.
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I haven't done much at all to the trigger, I could do some polishing and replace one adjustment screw and spring. This gun has one of the stock bolts left hand threads! A real mish mash, the barrel is hatsan but it's a good barrel. The piston etc is Webley but the trigger is this lower grade hatsan trigger. When I got it tons of air blew by the breech seal. Fortunately Knibbs has the breech seal for these that fits correctly and that took care of that issue.
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From what I saw when I got my Stingray II replacing the screws should be able to get a proper 2 stage trigger out of it. I'm thinking it would then adjust like a TX200 trigger.
When I got the gun and fired it it dieseled so bad that flames shot out the barrel! Knowing it would need a complete strip, and seeing the trigger I just shelved it. They're not very common. These "bitsas" were soon replaced by the Stingray II Quatro which is a Hatsan 95, I believe..
When I got the gun and fired it it dieseled so bad that flames shot out the barrel! Knowing it would need a complete strip, and seeing the trigger I just shelved it. They're not very common. These "bitsas" were soon replaced by the Stingray II Quatro which is a Hatsan 95, I believe..
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I have seen those Stingray II available a few times lately pretty cheap and debated getting one as I assumed they would be q decent project gun.
I will have to get a longer replacement screw and see if that helps. Going to also do a bit of polishing where needed. I did some pellet testing with the gun yesterday and was able to get a 1" group at 30yrds using of all things, .22 JSB Straton pellets! I don't think I have ever tried these and had them in one of those sample tins. Will have to order some up as this gun clearly likes them.
I will have to get a longer replacement screw and see if that helps. Going to also do a bit of polishing where needed. I did some pellet testing with the gun yesterday and was able to get a 1" group at 30yrds using of all things, .22 JSB Straton pellets! I don't think I have ever tried these and had them in one of those sample tins. Will have to order some up as this gun clearly likes them.
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Those triggers were first stage ones from the Winchester 1000. WORST trigger I’ve experianced next to GAMO. SOME EARLY RUN GUNS HAD A UK looking cage but different material sears with similar shapes using what was left over from UK stock.. Real Uk stingrays used a simple two sear latch trigger that was averagely ok. They made a replacement setup with two stage but pull was still a tad hard.. Welded brackets were Winchester first, then Quatro
quatro being very good if you know what you are doing with it.. As good as a Uk Tommy trigger nearly. Rekord good no but only one is.
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Haven't gotten it out and looked at it but now remember it has only one screw and a lump that produces the second stage. Geometry is all wrong. I don't think that lump protrudes far enough. So the Winchester is where it came from. Never saw one. Also remember now I did try another screw and it only turned it into a single stage and not very good, or I didn't trust it. Don't remember entirely. As stated above, weird gun so I shelved it. Only paid a few bucks for it. A loss.
The UK Stingray trigger isn't too bad when set up well. The "replacement setup with two stage" was a Vulcan Mk2 or 3 improvement. Stingrays all had that. A fake 2 stage. Webley used that basic trigger design on several guns for many years. Horrible and creepy as they come from the factory. You don't know when it's gonna trip. But backing off the spring pressure set screw up by the scope dovetails transforms them. Further improvement can be had by carefully polishing the sear surfaces..Some swap out that coil spring. Rekord good? Nope.
The UK Stingray trigger isn't too bad when set up well. The "replacement setup with two stage" was a Vulcan Mk2 or 3 improvement. Stingrays all had that. A fake 2 stage. Webley used that basic trigger design on several guns for many years. Horrible and creepy as they come from the factory. You don't know when it's gonna trip. But backing off the spring pressure set screw up by the scope dovetails transforms them. Further improvement can be had by carefully polishing the sear surfaces..Some swap out that coil spring. Rekord good? Nope.
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