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A Standard Testing Method

Standardizing Moderator Testing in the Airgun World
Oldspook
16 Sept. 2022


Introduction: The genesis of a significant number of silencer manufacturers specializing in products intended for the airgun market over the last decade has created a need for a standardized testing method. This paper is intended to define one such method.


Orientation: There are a number of problems which should be addressed when attempting to measure silencer efficiency on a standardized scale, not the least of which is the cost of high quality testing equipment. Some will say you can't get meaningful measurements without specialized equipment costing hundreds or thousands of dollars. To those people I say, “research ballistic pendulums”. To anyone interested in comparing one moderator to another I say, “You can do that with enough accuracy to inform your choices and have some fun while you are at it.” Information you glean will be comparable to others on a larger scale and even if the “nay sayers” tell you your information is not accurate you can reply, “It is more accurate than no information at all.” Seriously though, you will be able to make reliable comparisons and your data will be valuable to those of us who are engaged in similar pursuits.


Equipment: Well you are going to need an air rifle or air pistol. You will benefit from the use of a chronograph but one is not required. You will need a cell phone with a dB meter application or better still an actual dB meter. I use my phone and this application: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splendapps.decibel


It works just fine (EDIT: MAR 23; with the caveat that very short duration noises may not be captured). You will need a place quiet enough to do your testing. Anywhere with an ambient noise level of about 60 dB will do just fine. I have never tested a moderator, even on a sub-twelve foot pound PCP that was quieter than 66 dB (on a DRY day) so a noise floor of 60 dB is far more than adequate.


Setup: To create a standardized test we need a standardized setup. Most people don't have easy access to an indoor range. The good news is you don't need access to one. This method isn't going to define what application you should use or what phone or equipment you should use. Such rules are too restricting in a practical environment. We are not lab rats (well I might be) but most of us are shooters wanting to learn more not scientists conducting a million dollar government study. You should use whatever device you elect to use to make your measurements. We will control the things which are easiest to control. Measurements should be taken at a standardized location relative to the muzzle. I strongly recommend you place your sensor fifteen feet from the muzzle of your airgun and on a line perpendicular to the direction of fire. There are a couple of reasons for that suggestion. The first reason is safety. You have to walk to the meter after each shot and read what it says. You should not be walking down range to do that. The second reason I suggest that location has to do with the purpose of the moderator. Most shooters moderate their airguns to keep from upsetting their neighbors. Neighbors are generally not down range. If they are you wouldn't be shooting. So fifteen feet from the muzzle at 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock seems like a good place. The microphone on your device should be pointed directly at the airgun. Why? The direct pulse of firing will arrive at the microphone first and will be louder than reflections with this setup barring some rather unusual geometries. But why 15 feet? Fifteen feet because that is a large enough distance to give us the ability to calculate other information as I have shown in a different post. If you are too close it is hard to extrapolate the "detectable" range and if you are too far it is hard to get a good sound reading. That's your setup. It is pretty straight forward.

Method: When testing PCPs you should try to keep your shots at the same regulator setting on a regulated rifle and close to the same shot number in the shot string for an unregulated rifle. Spring rifles and other platforms will be inherently similar so long as you are shooting the same ammunition for the entire test cycle. The more data points you get the more accurate the statistics based upon your data will be. You need first to establish your baseline. You must do this every time you conduct a test because conditions change. Your baseline is the average of three or more shots from the airgun under test with no moderator attached. If the rifle is a shrouded rifle, the baseline is established with the rifle as it was delivered from the vendor. In other words, don't take your shroud off the rifle, unless you just like the pain. In the end you are going to report information about your rifle anyway. So you shoot three shots with no moderator and write that data down. Then you average that data. At that point you start testing the moderator(s). Shoot the same number of shots with each moderator that you shot to establish your baseline. Average those numbers for each moderator. The averages are all that matter for our purposes.

Interpreting your results (dB/CC): We need something simple that will help us to evaluate the relative efficiency of one moderator over another. So I hereby declare the standard measurement of silencer efficiency to be decibels per cubic centimeter. How do you calculate that? Measure the length of your moderator and the diameter, do it in millimeters it makes the math easier. There are any number of applications on the web which can be used to calculate the volume of a cylinder. Find one. Use it. Once you know the volume of your moderator in cubic centimeters, you divide that number into the difference between your unmoderated airgun and your moderated airgun.

Or you can make a spread sheet that does that math. Like the one attached. This is for a test I did this afternoon. I am very proud of the moderator I modified for my Stormrider.

I hope the community finds this concept useful. It would be nice to have a number which rates a moderator in comparison to other moderators.

NOTE: Humidity and temperature will change sound propagation. That is why you need to identify a standard moderator and always establish a baseline with it EVERY time you test. Today I tested my "standard" moderator against itself. It was a very humid day today. I have been doing my testing in dry months. My "standard" moderator tested an average of 3 dB louder today than it has tested on dry days. So did every other moderator I tested today. So there is a bit of anecdotal information which might be worth having, moderators work better on dry days.

MORE HERE

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Hehehe... just call it a "stealth number". The bigger the "stealth" number the spookier your device... :LOL: :giggle:
Just lose the OLD part and use "spook" as the quantifier. (smile)

It fits and just like the Yrrah roll, you will live on past your earthly lifetime. (grin)

Yeah, "stealth number" works well... (chuckle)
 
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OldSpook,
this is a good move!!

We compare BC of projectiles by measuring two velocities.
We compare the power of guns by measuring the projectile weight and velocity at the muzzle.

We need something to compare silencer effectiveness — even if it's a bit more complicated. 👍🏼


🔸A couple of comments.
(1) When users report their findings, it would be very helpful to include the caliber of the gun and the caliber of the silencer (sometimes there is a mismatch, intentional or not).

(2) Likewise, it would be important to report the muzzle energy of the gun, because many silencers work just fine below a certain power, but once it passes that level the more effective silencers will shine.

(3) For me personally, I am always trying to keep my guns short — so the dB/CC number isn't as helpful as it does not consider how many inches I have to add to the gun, just total volume.
Maybe an additional number could be reported, dB/in = dB per inch.


I really hope this silencer testing standard takes off, and manufacturers include the Spook Number in their spec sheet. 👍🏼

Matthias
 
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Nice read.
It sounds to me like you want to come up with a way to measure the efficiency of a particular moderator. I think you want to use the number of decibels of sound reduction from the unmoderated report divided by the moderator's volume as a better measure of efficiency.

There is also the matter of whether you choose 'A' weighting or 'C' weighting if I remember my terminology correctly from my sound meter, which I think uses two different frequency response models. The loudness of a report can be very subjective to a listener depending on the frequencies involved in that person's hearing acuity.

This would require two measurements of course, one without the moderator for the baseline and one with the moderator to measure the number of DB of sound reduction. Having a standardized distance and angle and microphone placement is good. Different microphones have different pickup patterns and gains. Another variable that must be controlled is nearby objects that would reflect the sound. Testing indoors or near the sides of houses or barns with walls that would reflect the sound will greatly skew the results. To be ultra consistent this should be done outdoors where there are no acoustic reflecting surfaces for instance or at least have them minimized.
 
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Another variable that must be controlled is nearby objects that would reflect the sound. Testing indoors or near the sides of houses or barns with walls that would reflect the sound will greatly skew the results. To be ultra consistent this should be done outdoors where there are no acoustic reflecting surfaces for instance or at least have them minimized.
This is my dilemma. My house is concrete and I don't have a big backyard where I do most of my shooting because of that issue called neighbors.
 
Very interesting topic! I also make my own moderators but I still don't quite understand the need for dB/CC value. For me if it's quiet then good, every dB counts plus the tone which is harder to measure. If I really value quietness then I don't really care the volume let along dB/CC. I get the whole dollar per pound approach but DB isn't even linear so the equation doesn't really work IMHO. What about weight too? It will be very interesting to see dB/CC/mm length/mm diameter/gram unit. :LOL:

In the end I doubt any moderator makers will agree on any sort of standards especially when a gun with different tunes will have different dB level. Simply way too many variable to be feasibly implemented as a standard but I'm just a random weirdo on the internet.
 
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dB/CC specifically defines how well your overall design is working. Given two moderators having the same volume the one with the higher dB/CC has the more efficient design as long as the accuracy is not affected.

Regarding length; that's included in the volume of a cylinder. The dB/CC ratio lets you compare two moderators of the same internal design and the same volume. IOW you might discover (or actually prove) a longer thinner moderator tube is better than a shorter fatter tube (or not). There's also weight to consider. There are factors like whether it's made out of metal or plastic. Maybe the plastic is biodegradable and UV degradable like PLA. You can't take every possible factor into some formula. That's OK. You might work up some other comparison which is more pertinent to you.

However; dB/CC is actually a scientific measure of efficiency. Sure the dB scale is nonlinear. That really doesn't matter. In this instance the direct measurement is the difference in dBs from one moderator to the next or between the test moderator and the naked bore. The ratio is the same from one moderator to the next. The linearity of the equation is irrelevant. I gave that some thought and came to that conclusion while trying to figure out whether or not we should convert dB into Watts so that we would have a linear measurement (dB over delta Watts). I figured the KISS principle should probably rule.

It will work and it's better than nothing.
 
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Again, very interesting topic especially given I’ve done a ton of testing myself and probably made well over 100 moderators in different configurations. I’m not trying to discourage your research, I’m just point out what I ran into as challenges. Sadly moderators have way too many variables to have a standard measuring metric as DB scale isn’t linear and therefore plotting it against linear measurements might not work as well.


What I found:

1. Length has more affect on the sound reduction than girth/diameter. Good example is the Koi being quieter than some moderators with much bigger diameter. Example is with high power the length needs to be extended but only to a point to achieve noticeable improvement in performance but more than needed the improvement quickly diminishes but does change the tune of the sound. In the other direction even with low power the moderator can only be so short before the sound and tune spike quickly.

2. Sound reduction is gun’s tune specific so maybe we can do a delta of no moderator vs moderator sound level so at least there is a baseline or reference point. I know for a fact if you put the same moderator on the same gun with different tune the sound level will be different even at same FPE. To make matters worse at different FPE range(low, medium and high) the delta and performance is different and moderator need to be a little different. If the tune is inefficient or the valve is still open when the projectile leaves the barrel then there is a sharp crack, different moderator works better than others at the same volume. But same 2 moderators might not have the same level of performance difference on a very efficient tune on the same gun.

3. Tune of the sound is another variable that’s hard to measure, lower the tune the better so a DB isn’t just a dB based on our “perception” of the sound by our ears and how sound travel differently depending on sound wavelength. Then the background noise or lack of makes a difference plus our ears are evolved to be more sensitive to certain frequencies along with degradation of older folks’ frequency sensitivity. Kids can hear very high frequency noise from far but people with degraded hearing don’t hear the same high pitch sound at all.


Again, not trying to poop on the fun here but it is a very challenging problem to tackle. I’ve bought just about every commercially available moderators out there and could not get a consistent performance out of any of them because they are all designed differently for different power level. I bought the longest/biggest STO and emperor for my back yard guns and the performance from these 200* dollar massive moderators are abysmal on my 8 FPE PP700 because they aren’t designed for that application. So on a high powered gun their dB/CC reduction score is very good but on another they are completely trash. Lastly everyone’s guns are at different power believe with different tunes. 🥵
 
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Again, very interesting topic especially given I’ve done a ton of testing myself and probably made well over 100 moderators in different configurations. I’m not trying to discourage your research, I’m just point out what I ran into as challenges. Sadly moderators have way too many variables to have a standard measuring metric as DB scale isn’t linear and therefore plotting it against linear measurements might not work as well.
That means you are going to be a valuable resource.
What I found:

1. Length has more affect on the sound reduction than girth/diameter. Good example is the Koi being quieter than some moderators with much bigger diameter. Example is with high power the length needs to be extended but only to a point to achieve noticeable improvement in performance but more than needed the improvement quickly diminishes but does change the tune of the sound. In the other direction even with low power the moderator can only be so short before the sound and tune spike quickly.
That agrees with what I have observed. I have not tried to quantify that yet.
2. Sound reduction is gun’s tune specific so maybe we can do a delta of no moderator vs moderator sound level so at least there is a baseline or reference point. I know for a fact if you put the same moderator on the same gun with different tune the sound level will be different even at same FPE. To make matters worse at different FPE range(low, medium and high) the delta and performance is different and moderator need to be a little different. If the tune is inefficient or the valve is still open when the projectile leaves the barrel then there is a sharp crack, different moderator works better than others at the same volume. But same 2 moderators might not have the same level of performance difference on a very efficient tune on the same gun.
No moderator vs moderator ... Yes the original post suggests that you run no moderator as your BASELINE in all tests. Yes tune makes a difference. I think that difference will also show up with different tunes yeilding the same power. That doesn't mean we can't set up some sort of informative standard of measure.
3. Tune of the sound is another variable that’s hard to measure, lower the tune the better so a DB isn’t just a dB based on our “perception” of the sound by our ears and how sound travel differently depending on sound wavelength. Then the background noise or lack of makes a difference plus our ears are evolved to be more sensitive to certain frequencies along with degradation of older folks’ frequency sensitivity. Kids can hear very high frequency noise from far but people with degraded hearing don’t hear the same high pitch sound at all.
Sure and all of that is beyond our control. You can't manipulate the parameters of your problem. That's cheating. In the original post I suggested we consider the reason that MOST shooters use a moderator, that is to keep from aggravating the neighbors. That means the ultimate measure is whether or not people hear it when you don't want that. No measurement standard we come up with will ever do that. At best we can calculate the distance to noise floor for any given moderator given a baseline reading on either another moderator or a naked barrel. That is useful information. But it does not tell us how much farther away Johnny will hear it than Billy does.
Again, not trying to poop on the fun here but it is a very challenging problem to tackle. I’ve bought just about every commercially available moderators out there and could not get a consistent performance out of any of them because they are all designed differently for different power level. I bought the longest/biggest STO and emperor for my back yard guns and the performance from these 200* dollar massive moderators are abysmal on my 8 FPE PP700 because they aren’t designed for that application. So on a high powered gun their dB/CC reduction score is very good but on another they are completely trash. Lastly everyone’s guns are at different power believe with different tunes. 🥵
No problem, I am being forced to think about the problem. That's a good thing. And again that experience makes you a good resource of empirical information. I do believe we can define a formula which will fairly compare the performance of two moderators on the same platform.

But since you are here. What have you done with K-Baffles? Have you had any success with them?

Anyway I need to take the dogs out. See you in the morning. @qball. 😁
 
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Good idea...not so good on the scientific end.
Despite your "research ballistic pendulums" comment, above (I assume meant for me !!).

Sounds like you could make a small fortune if you went to work for the Aerospace companies that send things into space ! You could teach them a thing or two.

You have way too many things missing in your initial (above) idea, for even "somewhat accurate" values.
Now if you are talking just given numbers that have no basis in actual sound accuracy, then yes, I'd agree with your premise.

Mike
 
I'll add:
the db meter (fone/app or dedicated meter) setup should be described in full: what the fone/app/meter is, location and distance from the muzzle
date, time of day (i get different readings during the day when lots of noise is going on, than I do at midnight)
Temp, humidity, air pressure and altitude should be noted (my Android has an app that shows those)
Pellet wieght and type should be noted
indoor or outdoor testing

While it will be impossible for me, at 4800 FASL to replicate testing at sea level, the idea is to document as much of the testing process and enviroment as possible. That helps me interpret the data given.

I dont get much from folks that post "my fone says nndB's"

IMO we will never, at least until really good dB meters are available cheaply, be able to replicate testing of other members setups and shooting gear. But if we can standardize the documentation of the process then we'll have better information from the data provided.