So you got yourself a quality HW spring gun, put a tune kit in it, put a decent scope on it, put a couple tins through it. Not talking about your best day, just your average performance, 10 shot groups 20 yards, what do you expect? ctc measured, not show boating. I'm asking because I really don't know how to tell if I've got a shooter or not. In powder burners, deer rifles I like my guns to be close to an inch at 100 yards, some are better, some 1 1/2" is the best I can get them.