I have a Daisy 717 and have loved it. It's shooting well enough, but I'm looking to purchase a pistol that will get me to the next rung on the ladder. I love the single stroke pneumatic action of my 717, but both the HW 45 and the V10 in .177 seem solid. Since I am not in a position to buy both at this time, I wonder what the consensus is as to accuracy between the two?
Air Venturi Accuracy difference between HW 45 and Venturi V10 - which is a better 10m gun?
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The HW45 is a spring piston with lots of recoil and very hard to shoot accurately, I have one in .22 cal. The HW75 is the single stroke pneumatic, and shoots lights out, I have the HW40 which has the same power plant but in a composite frame.
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HW 45 is a springer , the V10 is a SSP . V10 is not much of an upgrade in my opinion , i would save $$ for an IZH 46 or the HW75 both around the same price . If your near Columbus OH . the Mid west Air Gun show 2025 June 7 . over a hundred tables of used air guns
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717 vs Gamo Compact or AV10-- the compact will sit in your hand better, better grips and sight less weight and the trigger can be improved with a change of spring in the assembly
you have the FAS 6004 and the Sig Super Target but have the same power plant both are nice the FAS had target grips both came and went in a very short time, nicer than the AV10 but better maybe, maybe not
HW 40 vs the AV10-SIG-FAS it is and all plastic pistol trigger can be made better with a longer adjustment screw but you will have to make it and if you ask i would tell you how
P2-HW75 the nicest of the bunch and the most money and i believe their price well see a huge jump very soon with world events happening
those are all SSP pistols in a standard looking pistol or course there is the Beeman P17 the HW 40 clone just buy one and be done with it like it hate it i don't care but i have one and it is the hard cock pistol i own and i do own a Hatsan 25
target pistol are the next group without going to PCP
IZH 46 or 46m would be a great choice no parts now but who know a week from now prices are up but again the world is in flux
one of the best triggers you will find in it's price range
and there are other great SSP pistols most are hard to find and not cheap
the HW45 is a fine pistol you can change the barrels once you get the 2 little screws out of the barrel plate that holds it in place
are they hard to shoot NO but i grew up competing with Colt Gold Cup .45 acp so i have a head start
the pistol shoots the softest in .22 so if you don't like that you sure as hell would not like the .177
so most of the pistols above will outshoot the average shooter
would i wait and save for say the 46m sure that is a plan would i buy the AV-10 again sure it is a nice pistol
do i see a new pistol that is going to set the world on fire that meets your wants coming along soon, not if the last 10 years shows me anything
the IZH 46m after looking on Complete Ebay are going for big bucks so that ship could have sailed already
now all the pistols mention i do own and we are talking SSP pistols
mike
you have the FAS 6004 and the Sig Super Target but have the same power plant both are nice the FAS had target grips both came and went in a very short time, nicer than the AV10 but better maybe, maybe not
HW 40 vs the AV10-SIG-FAS it is and all plastic pistol trigger can be made better with a longer adjustment screw but you will have to make it and if you ask i would tell you how
P2-HW75 the nicest of the bunch and the most money and i believe their price well see a huge jump very soon with world events happening
those are all SSP pistols in a standard looking pistol or course there is the Beeman P17 the HW 40 clone just buy one and be done with it like it hate it i don't care but i have one and it is the hard cock pistol i own and i do own a Hatsan 25
target pistol are the next group without going to PCP
IZH 46 or 46m would be a great choice no parts now but who know a week from now prices are up but again the world is in flux
one of the best triggers you will find in it's price range
and there are other great SSP pistols most are hard to find and not cheap
the HW45 is a fine pistol you can change the barrels once you get the 2 little screws out of the barrel plate that holds it in place
are they hard to shoot NO but i grew up competing with Colt Gold Cup .45 acp so i have a head start
the pistol shoots the softest in .22 so if you don't like that you sure as hell would not like the .177
so most of the pistols above will outshoot the average shooter
would i wait and save for say the 46m sure that is a plan would i buy the AV-10 again sure it is a nice pistol
do i see a new pistol that is going to set the world on fire that meets your wants coming along soon, not if the last 10 years shows me anything
the IZH 46m after looking on Complete Ebay are going for big bucks so that ship could have sailed already
now all the pistols mention i do own and we are talking SSP pistols
mike
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If you can find an IZH 46m or Air Venturi 46m, which are the same gun go for it. Much easier to cock than an HW75 which can be tiring for a long shooting string.
Wow I just looked at those ebay listings That 995 gun indicates upgraded trigger, but it looks like the standard trigger to me.
Wow I just looked at those ebay listings That 995 gun indicates upgraded trigger, but it looks like the standard trigger to me.
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It is hard to beat the 717 for the money and easy cocking and accuracy..I think it is more accurate than the two you mention. Are you looking for more power or better fit in your hand?
I have the HW45,it can be hard to cock at times, myself I went to the PCP 1701, great accuaccy at longer distance,I use a hand pump...I only mention that because the IZH,it cost about the same as the 1701 and hand pump...Most people love their IZH46. The price is going up and up.
I will offer some opinions. Buy a used German ten-meter target pistol. They go for around $600,less or more. Check them out and their history. Buy used. You will never lose money on them. That is what I would do. marflow 777 has much experience in these matters.
I have the HW45,it can be hard to cock at times, myself I went to the PCP 1701, great accuaccy at longer distance,I use a hand pump...I only mention that because the IZH,it cost about the same as the 1701 and hand pump...Most people love their IZH46. The price is going up and up.
I will offer some opinions. Buy a used German ten-meter target pistol. They go for around $600,less or more. Check them out and their history. Buy used. You will never lose money on them. That is what I would do. marflow 777 has much experience in these matters.
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Sounds like maybe it's worth considering a PCP option
Thanks. I will look into that. As far as what I'm looking for, I'm really exploring a potential backup should my 717 fail (it did recently) and also provide the next bridge toward a competition pistol.It is hard to beat the 717 for the money and easy cocking and accuracy..I think it is more accurate than the two you mention. Are you looking for more power or better fit in your hand?
I have the HW45,it can be hard to cock at times, myself I went to the PCP 1701, great accuaccy at longer distance,I use a hand pump...I only mention that because the IZH,it cost about the same as the 1701 and hand pump...Most people love their IZH46. The price is going up and up.
I will offer some opinions. Buy a used German ten-meter target pistol. They go for around $600,less or more. Check them out and their history. Buy used. You will never lose money on them. That is what I would do. marflow 777 has much experience in these matters.
Sounds like maybe it's worth considering a PCP option
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You might look for a 777. Better barrel, full wood target grips and an excellent rear sight , The notch width is adjustable. One further thing,not noticeable is that the charging lever is milled steel vs cast or stamped aluminum. I think the trigger is also adjustable
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The HW45 is a plinking pistol. The IZH-46M is a ten meter target pistol. Apples and oranges.
I recommend the P17 SSP as a starter pistol. More of a plinker but easy on the check book and a great way to wet your toes in the pistol pool.
I recommend the P17 SSP as a starter pistol. More of a plinker but easy on the check book and a great way to wet your toes in the pistol pool.
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If you're going to wind up with a drawer full of SSP pistols, you'll need an HW75 in there. 
On a good day mine is capable of -moa accuracy.
On a good day mine is capable of -moa accuracy.
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