What is the best accuracy you have achieved on a rifle ( not pistol), traditional or pcp, using just a red dot sight, at ranges 20 yards and beyond? What were your best groups and at what distance?
Accuracy using red dot on a rifle?
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As good as you and the rifle can shoot. Don't have any red dots on airguns but my 17hmr can hold 2" with a 2 moa dot at 100yds.
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The accuracy of the rifle doesn't depend on what type of aiming device is mounted on it so not sure what you're really asking. This is more of a "how far can you SEE to aim accurately" question I guess. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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id say its all about 'your' eyes when it comes to red dots .. if you have perfect vision they can be pretty accurate, otherwise id say a redot is really only suitable for close range action shooting, not targets, and still, if your vision is pretty rusty theyre going to be useless more or less without your 1/2" thick specs on .. such is my dilema ..
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I’ve mounted a sig Romeo 5 onto my impact .30 before and I was able to shoot quarter sized groups at 50 yards with a bipod, not difficult at all. But beyond that is where things start to blur for my eyes and at 100 yards I start to see my groups open up much more. As mentioned above though, it’s more how well you can see and shoot. Once I slap on a dedicated scope on the impact I can easily shoot 1-2 inch groups with the impact at 100.
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I found you cannot shoot any smaller groups than the dot IE: if it is a 4 moa dot that is as good as you can reliably hope for . 4MOA is 4 inches @ 100 yards so the dot covers that area on the target .
Short answer. Given a perfect hold and weapon, 1" at 50 yards. 2" at 100 yards.
Are you shooting moving targets? Seems a waste to put one on otherwise.
Curious.
Doc
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This was done at 15yards rested 6ftlbs with a Red Dot 3moa. I am new to this. I think at this power 6ftlbs 20yds will be the max for decent groups. I however am battering spinners 
around at 27 yards nearly every shot. Ignor the top left just zeroing.
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I tried a 5-mil dot scope last week because it puts the dot on the same focal plane as the target. A great thing for older eyes.
I found that unless the target had a circle just over the size of the dot, the smallest possible groups were not happening.
J~
I found that unless the target had a circle just over the size of the dot, the smallest possible groups were not happening.
J~
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I am perfectly aware. I might have worded my question wrong, I am mostly interested to see what kind of groups are possible, what is an average for most people so that I can compare them with mine.
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Yes, the 2 moa red dot will probably go on a heavy springer and hoping for 1 inch groups at 40 yards, 1/4 " at 25 yards. Pigeons and iguanas will be my pray. I know the rifle can do close to 1/4 inch at 43 yards with a scope.
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The smaller the dot the better. I would use 2MOA or smaller dot.
When shooting solid black round bulls at 100yds, I found that with a 2MOA dot, the target needed to be 6" or larger in order to not cover too much of the target. You are most accurate if you can tell that you are aiming in the center of the target, rather than covering all or most of the target with the dot. A 1" margin at 100yds (what a 4" target would provide with a 2MOA dot) sounds good in your head, but is too small in practice, hence the 6" minimum. So following this guidline with a 2MOA dot, that would be a 3" target at 50yds, or 2.4" at 40yds.
When shooting solid black round bulls at 100yds, I found that with a 2MOA dot, the target needed to be 6" or larger in order to not cover too much of the target. You are most accurate if you can tell that you are aiming in the center of the target, rather than covering all or most of the target with the dot. A 1" margin at 100yds (what a 4" target would provide with a 2MOA dot) sounds good in your head, but is too small in practice, hence the 6" minimum. So following this guidline with a 2MOA dot, that would be a 3" target at 50yds, or 2.4" at 40yds.
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You would be much better off using a low power scope with a cross hair.
Before I had my cornea transplants I put an LPVO scope on my AR because of my eyesight at the time.
The scope is a 1X6 with an illuminated reticle. Long eye relief and at lower powers I can shoot it with both eyes open for very fast target acquisition.
I like it so much that I never bothered changing it after the surgery and my vision is much much better.
Before I had my cornea transplants I put an LPVO scope on my AR because of my eyesight at the time.
The scope is a 1X6 with an illuminated reticle. Long eye relief and at lower powers I can shoot it with both eyes open for very fast target acquisition.
I like it so much that I never bothered changing it after the surgery and my vision is much much better.
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Yeah, as noted, buy a dot sight with a 2moa dot...no matter what brand you buy. A 50yrd., 1" group pretty easily is possible...depending on...you and your gun.
I'm a fan of Holosun. I have a few brands, and different models of each brand...Holosun, Vortex, Sig Sauer, Trijicon, Meprolight, Burris, Aimpoint .
So yeah, I have some experience with a few different brands.
Also note, if you have an astigmatism, the dot will..."not be round". It's NOT...the sights fault !
And, you can easily make a non-round dot work...by paying attention to the target, NOT the dot !!
One of my favorites, Holosun, HS530G-xx -
Has solar cells if battery goes dead, 50,000 of battery life, 2moa dot, titanium body.
Another, Meprolight 21 -
No...battery needed, jusy a little sun. It's a "delta (solid triangle), astigmatism friendly.
And again, Trijicon, MRO -
Plain ol red or green dot sight (this is green).
Holosun, HS509T
Fully inclosed, 50,000hrs of battery life, 2moa dot, has solar cells for extended use without a battery, titanium body. CAn also be used on a rifle very easily.
Also...don't forget the "prism" scopes. Eye problems do NOT hinder Prism scopes. Well maybe if you have the ol coke bottle lenses !!
Mike
I'm a fan of Holosun. I have a few brands, and different models of each brand...Holosun, Vortex, Sig Sauer, Trijicon, Meprolight, Burris, Aimpoint .
So yeah, I have some experience with a few different brands.
Also note, if you have an astigmatism, the dot will..."not be round". It's NOT...the sights fault !
And, you can easily make a non-round dot work...by paying attention to the target, NOT the dot !!
One of my favorites, Holosun, HS530G-xx -
Has solar cells if battery goes dead, 50,000 of battery life, 2moa dot, titanium body.
Another, Meprolight 21 -
No...battery needed, jusy a little sun. It's a "delta (solid triangle), astigmatism friendly.
And again, Trijicon, MRO -
Plain ol red or green dot sight (this is green).
Holosun, HS509T
Fully inclosed, 50,000hrs of battery life, 2moa dot, has solar cells for extended use without a battery, titanium body. CAn also be used on a rifle very easily.
Also...don't forget the "prism" scopes. Eye problems do NOT hinder Prism scopes. Well maybe if you have the ol coke bottle lenses !!
Mike
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Keep in mind the design purpose of a red dot. There were not designed for super accuracy, but to allow fast target Aquisition at Close quarter distance against single and multiple moving or stationary targets while your moving.
That said, they can be pretty accurate if you have a decent set up and do you [part. but don't expect 1/4moa at 100 yds.
That said, they can be pretty accurate if you have a decent set up and do you [part. but don't expect 1/4moa at 100 yds.
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If you have an astigmatism you can also place a peep sight behind the red dot and peer at it through there and cure the starburst. You also benefit from knowing your head is in the same spot from shot to shot
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I have astigmatism and use 2 moa dots regularly. The key for me is to keep the brightness turned down to a minimum.
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